Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Lael Caesar" <caesarl AT andrews.edu>]

Teddy bear virus alert is a hoax. Probably too late to help anyone since I
haven't been at my terminal for four days.

Lael Caesar
Andrews University
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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:00 AM
Subject: b-hebrew digest: May 30, 2002


> B-HEBREW Digest for Thursday, May 30, 2002.
>
> 1. RE: virus alert
> 2. terms modern, pre- and post-
> 3. Re: Ecclesiastes 3:19
> 4. Composition Date of Deut 1:36 and 34:10-12
> 5. Re: Hu' in Amos and 2 Sam 7:10
> 6. RE: virus alert
> 7. RE: virus alert
> 8. RE: terms modern, pre- and post-
> 9. Re: virus alert
>
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>
> Subject: RE: virus alert
> From: "Peter Kirk" <Peter_Kirk AT sil.org>
> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:27:32 +0100
> X-Message-Number: 1
>
> Ken, this hoax has become so common that I'm surprised anyone is still
> being taken in by it.
>
> But I disagree with your last sentence. If someone has sent a virus to
> the list, they should certainly inform list members ASAP, as this may
> save people from serious harm. But first, they should double check with
> sites like the ones you mention below that they really do have a virus.
>
> Peter Kirk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Smith [mailto:kens AT 180solutions.com]
> > Sent: 30 May 2002 03:09
> > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > Subject: RE: virus alert
> >
> > Sigh.  This is a hoax.  The jdbgmgr.exe file is a normal part of
> Windows
> > -- it's a part of the Java Debug Manager.  DON'T DELETE IT.
> >
> > Before you send off any messages like this, please, please, folks,
> check
> > to make sure it's not a hoax -- 99% of them are.  Easiest way to
> confirm
> > it is to visit Symantec's web site:
> >
> > http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html
> >
> > This one's listed at:
> >
> >
> http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file
> > .hoax.html
> >
> > And even if the virus threat WERE real, this list isn't the place to
> > post it.
> >
> > Ken Smith
> > Vice President, Technology
> > 180Solutions.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bryan Rocine [mailto:brocine AT earthlink.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:54 PM
> > > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > > Subject: virus alert
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just received a message today from one of my friends in my
> > > Address Book. Their Address Book had been infected by a virus
> > > and it was passed on to my computer. My Address Book, in turn
> > > has been infected. The virus (called
> > > jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee anti-virus
> > > systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging
> > > the system. It's sent automatically by the messenger and by
> > > the Address Book, whether or not you sent Emails to your
> > > contacts. I have checked it, found it, and deleted it. Here's
> > > how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it:
> > >
> > > DO THIS:
> > > 1. Go to start, Find or Search option.
> > >
> > > 2. In the files/folder option, write the name jdbgmgr.exe
> > > 3. Be sure you search the C:drive
> > >
> > > 4. Click "find now"
> > > 5. The virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe
> > > DO NOT OPEN IT
> > >
> > > 6. Right click and delete it. It will then go to the Recycle
> > > Bin 7. Go to the Recycle Bin and delete there as well
> > >
> > > IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN
> > > YOUR ADDRESS BOOK
> > > SO THAT THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS.
> > >
> > > SORRY ABOUT THIS. I'M SURE EVERYONE IN MY ADDRESS BOOK WILL HAVE IT.
> > >
> > > Bryan Rocine
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>
> Subject: terms modern, pre- and post-
> From: decaen AT chass.utoronto.ca (Vincent DeCaen)
> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:45:25 -0400 (EDT)
> X-Message-Number: 2
>
> dear b-haverim,
>
> i've noticed the term "post-modern" slipping into the rhetoric these days.
> what should we understand by "modern" then?  would that be the framework
> pioneered by the 19th germans, and in criticism associated with
> Wellhausen?  if so, the post-modern is not that "post".  and then what do
> you do with dissenters like Kaufmann and the Jerusalem School?  is that
> pre-modern or anti-modern?
>
> any thoughts on the correct use of modern? and pre- vs post-?
>
> cheers,
> V --
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-=-=-
> Dr Vincent DeCaen
> Research Associate
> Near & Middle Eastern Civilizations
> University of Toronto
>
> Hebrew Syntax Encoding Initiative (HSEI)
> http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~decaen/hsei/
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-=-=-
> Have you heard the one about the accountant?
>
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>
> Subject: Re: Ecclesiastes 3:19
> From: "Kevin Buchs" <buchsk AT charter.net>
> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 06:58:10 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 3
>
> Thank you to everyone who has replied.  Do verses like this one make you
wonder
> if we impose an artificial grammar on a language whose true grammar is
something
> different that we do not understand?
>
> Kevin Buchs  buchsk AT charter.net  Rochester, MN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daryl F. Jefferies" <djefferi AT chorus.net>
> To: <buchsk AT charter.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:05 PM
> Subject: Ecclesiastes 3:19
>
>
> > Kevin,
> >
> > In case no one has gotten back to you yet, the reason nothing is
> > parsed is that there are no "parsable" (verbal) forms in the verse.
> > When you mentioned it I figured it was a typo in Beall, et al so I
> > looked.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Daryl Jefferies
> >
> > --
> > *****************************
> > Daryl F. Jefferies, Ph.D.
> > djefferi AT chorus.net
> > http://userpages.chorus.net/djefferi
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Composition Date of Deut 1:36 and 34:10-12
> From: Mark Wessner <mark AT wessner.ca>
> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:33:24 -0700
> X-Message-Number: 4
>
> Hi Colleagues,
>
> I am doing some research on a grammatical technique used by various
> Biblical Hebrew narrators, and am trying to ascertain the date of
> composition of thirteen Old Testament passages.  Based on the language and
> grammar, I have my suspicions about the time-frame, but I would like to
> hear some of your more learned and objective opinions (to either confirm
or
> challenge my thoughts!).  Two of the passages are:
>
> Deut 1:36
> Deut 34:10-12
>
> Any information that you can provide regarding when these texts may have
> been composed, whether it is your own insight or the recommendation of a
> specific resource, will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark Wessner
> Mark AT wessner.ca
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Hu' in Amos and 2 Sam 7:10
> From: "Francesco Venale" <fvenale AT academicstudies.fsnet.co.uk>
> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:26:41 +0100
> X-Message-Number: 5
>
> Dear B-Hebrew Listmembers,
>
> In reading Amos I found a strange hu' in 2:9. What do you think about? Any
> ideas how to explain? Has it something in common with the also enigmatic
hu'
> in 2 Sam 7:10? Thanks for your help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Francesco Venale
> London
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>
>
>
>
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>
> Subject: RE: virus alert
> From: "Michael Allen" <gt3rx3 AT visi.com>
> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:32:43 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 6
>
> Oh, no, not again (mumble, mumble)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Rocine [mailto:brocine AT earthlink.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 8:54 PM
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: virus alert
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I just received a message today from one of my friends in my
> Address Book.
> Their Address Book had been infected by a virus and it was
> passed on to my
> computer. My Address Book, in turn has been infected. The
> virus (called
> jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee anti-virus
> systems. The
> virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging the system.
> It's sent
> automatically by the messenger and by the Address Book,
> whether or not you
> sent Emails to your contacts. I have checked it, found it,
> and deleted it.
> Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it:
>
> DO THIS:
> 1. Go to start, Find or Search option.
>
> 2. In the files/folder option, write the name jdbgmgr.exe
> 3. Be sure you search the C:drive
>
> 4. Click "find now"
> 5. The virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe
> DO NOT OPEN IT
>
> 6. Right click and delete it. It will then go to the Recycle
> Bin
> 7. Go to the Recycle Bin and delete there as well
>
> IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN
> YOUR ADDRESS BOOK
> SO THAT THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS.
>
> SORRY ABOUT THIS. I'M SURE EVERYONE IN MY ADDRESS BOOK WILL
> HAVE IT.
>
> Bryan Rocine
>
>
>
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>
> Subject: RE: virus alert
> From: "Michael Allen" <gt3rx3 AT visi.com>
> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:34:07 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 7
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> This virus hoax is going to drive everyone crazy.  I've seen this hoax
> appear so many times over the last month, it's ridiculous.  Ken's right:
> check first.  Don't go off and delete important files.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Smith [mailto:kens AT 180solutions.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:09 PM
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: RE: virus alert
>
>
> Sigh.  This is a hoax.  The jdbgmgr.exe file is a normal part of Windows
> -- it's a part of the Java Debug Manager.  DON'T DELETE IT.
>
> Before you send off any messages like this, please, please, folks, check
> to make sure it's not a hoax -- 99% of them are.  Easiest way to confirm
> it is to visit Symantec's web site:
>
> http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html
>
> This one's listed at:
>
> http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file
> .hoax.html
>
> And even if the virus threat WERE real, this list isn't the place to
> post it.
>
> Ken Smith
> Vice President, Technology
> 180Solutions.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bryan Rocine [mailto:brocine AT earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:54 PM
> > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > Subject: virus alert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I just received a message today from one of my friends in my
> > Address Book. Their Address Book had been infected by a virus
> > and it was passed on to my computer. My Address Book, in turn
> > has been infected. The virus (called
> > jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee anti-virus
> > systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging
> > the system. It's sent automatically by the messenger and by
> > the Address Book, whether or not you sent Emails to your
> > contacts. I have checked it, found it, and deleted it. Here's
> > how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it:
> >
> > DO THIS:
> > 1. Go to start, Find or Search option.
> >
> > 2. In the files/folder option, write the name jdbgmgr.exe
> > 3. Be sure you search the C:drive
> >
> > 4. Click "find now"
> > 5. The virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe
> > DO NOT OPEN IT
> >
> > 6. Right click and delete it. It will then go to the Recycle
> > Bin 7. Go to the Recycle Bin and delete there as well
> >
> > IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN
> > YOUR ADDRESS BOOK
> > SO THAT THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS.
> >
> > SORRY ABOUT THIS. I'M SURE EVERYONE IN MY ADDRESS BOOK WILL HAVE IT.
> >
> > Bryan Rocine
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > You are currently subscribed to b-hebrew as:
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> >
> >
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> Subject: RE: terms modern, pre- and post-
> From: "Paul Zellmer" <smdirect AT bellsouth.net>
> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:21:17 -0400
> X-Message-Number: 8
>
> Vince,
>
> As I understand the philosophical (as opposed to the artistic or
> architectural) use of modern/post-modern, modern tends to emphasize a
> logical approach to dealing with questions.  Post-modern thought
emphasizes
> more of the impact on the individual.
>
> Most of the impact that this has made on my work is a change of focus
> between how I address issues with the over-40 crowd and with the under-40
> crowd.  The older group seems to grasp exegesis and information-oriented
> approaches, while the younger crowd needs more of the emotional,
> motivational emphasis.
>
> Pre-modern is not a term that I have seen used, except as a grouping of
all
> or philosophical thoughts prior to the modern period.
>
> HTH,
>
> Paul
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vincent DeCaen [mailto:decaen AT chass.utoronto.ca]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:45 AM
> > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > Subject: terms modern, pre- and post-
> >
> >
> > dear b-haverim,
> >
> > i've noticed the term "post-modern" slipping into the rhetoric
> > these days.
> > what should we understand by "modern" then?  would that be the framework
> > pioneered by the 19th germans, and in criticism associated with
> > Wellhausen?  if so, the post-modern is not that "post".  and then what
do
> > you do with dissenters like Kaufmann and the Jerusalem School?  is that
> > pre-modern or anti-modern?
> >
> > any thoughts on the correct use of modern? and pre- vs post-?
> >
> > cheers,
> > V --
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> > Dr Vincent DeCaen
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> > Near & Middle Eastern Civilizations
> > University of Toronto
> >
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> > Have you heard the one about the accountant?
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>
> Subject: Re: virus alert
> From: "Bryan Rocine" <brocine AT earthlink.net>
> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 20:40:46 -0400
> X-Message-Number: 9
>
>
> ooo, Peter, that hurts!
>
> Sorry haverim that I sent on this hoax.  I agree that I
> should have checked out the message before passing it on.  I
> was tired and a little panicky.  forgive me!
>
> I agree that all of us should check out a mailing of the
> "virus alert" sort before passing it to the list.
>
> Bryan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Kirk" <Peter_Kirk AT sil.org>
> To: "Biblical Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:27 AM
> Subject: RE: virus alert
>
>
> > Ken, this hoax has become so common that I'm surprised
> anyone is still
> > being taken in by it.
> >
>
>
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