Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Peter Kirk" <Peter_Kirk AT sil.org>]

Well, I guess the difference is between controlled and uncontrolled
fermentation. The basic chemical process is the same, but if
uncontrolled the wine can turn into vinegar, so be spoiled.

Peter Kirk

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Washburn [mailto:dwashbur AT nyx.net]
> Sent: 25 January 2002 12:26
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: RE: yayin references
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't fermentation the common
> method of preservation?  So if it was unfermented when it left, by
> the time it arrived it would either be fermented or spoiled.
> Fermentation was used to prevent the latter, or so I've been told.
> 
> > The YAYIN in Neh 13:15 may have been unfermented when it was loaded
up
> > for the trip to Jerusalem, if freshly squeezed from fresh grapes and
so
> > during the summer; but it wouldn't have been unfermented by the time
> > Nehemiah saw it being carried into Jerusalem. It doesn't take long
for
> > grape juice to ferment in hot weather with no refrigeration. So
> > unfermented grape juice could only have existed during the grape
harvest
> > season, and any references to YAYIN at other seasons e.g. Passover
must
> > be to fermented wine.
> >
> > Peter Kirk
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kevin W. Woodruff [mailto:cierpke AT prodigy.net]
> > > Sent: 25 January 2002 00:32
> > > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > > Subject: Re: yayin references
> > >
> > > Matt:
> > >
> > > I would suggest :
> > >
> > > Isaiah 16:10
> > > Jeremiah 40:10b
> > > Nehemiah 13:15
> > >
> > >
> > > At 05:27 PM 1/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Shalom l'kol:
> > > >
> > > >I am trying to find one or more ancient (1 B.C. or earlier)
> > citations, by
> > > >a Jew who lived at that time, to the word "yayin" being used to
refer
> > to
> > > >UNfermented grape juice. Thanks! Matt
> > > >
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