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["Fred Putnam" <fputnam AT biblical.edu>]

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> B-HEBREW Digest for Wednesday, October 31, 2001.
> 
> 1. Adonai - Lord or LORD?
> 2. Re: [yahwist] Breaking Ben Laden's Allah/Curses
> 3. Re: Hebrew of ketef hinnom amulets
> 4. Topic, focus and foreground in ancient Hebrew narratives
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> Subject: Adonai - Lord or LORD?
> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?ian=20goldsmith?= <iangoldsmith1969 AT yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:37:54 +0000 (GMT)
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> Good afternoon.
> 
> Schmuel asked an excellent question recently about the
> occurence of adonai in Ezra 10:3 and Isaiah 21:8.
> Which has made me look into this in a bit more detail
> and has brought up a couple of questions.
> 
> In the BHS which I'm using to look up the occurrences
> of adonai, I find 568 mentions of the word in the same
> form. Only once in Judges 13:8 do I find adonai with a
> vav after the daleth.
> 
> Why then does Gesenius and Davidson draw a distinction
> between the interpretation of this word? They both
> state, as far as I can understand, that adonai with a
> vav is only used when refering to the LORD/YHWH and
> yet this seems to only occur once. Also however there
> seems to be the assumption that sometimes adonai is
> only used of God, where in the unpointed text it is
> used of both man and God.
> 
> Is there some textual/grammatical basis for assuming
> the adonai in the verses Ezra 10:3, Isaiah 21:8 and
> Psalm 110:1 refers only to the LORD.
> As far as I can tell from the unpointed text this word
> could refer to man or God. 
> 
> Any thoughts? I'd very much appreciate them.
> 
> Thanks.
> Ian.
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> Subject: Re: [yahwist] Breaking Ben Laden's Allah/Curses
> From: "weismann" <weismann AT fibertel.com.ar>
> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:43:00 -0300
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> About the issue, I agree also with Mr. Rice: it's out of place to speak or
> to write about other important subjects that are not the main object of the
> Hebrew List.   Regards,    Francis J. Weismann weismann AT fibertel.com.ar 
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> 2001
> 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [yahwist] Breaking Ben Laden's Allah/Curses
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> > "Our common ground for discussion is the scholarship of the Hebrew Bible, 
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> > I agree. The discussion should stick to Hebrew related topics.
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> Subject: Re: Hebrew of ketef hinnom amulets
> From: ianyoung AT plato.arts.usyd.edu.au
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:23:06 +0000
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> 
> >Also, does any of you know of something written on the Hebrew of the two
> >amulets apart from Gabriel Barkay in Qatedrah 52 (1989)/ Tel Aviv 19 
> >(1992) and
> >A Yardeni in Vetus Testamentum 41 (1991)?? (hey - that qualified the post 
> >as
> >not too off-topic!)
> 
> 
> There are recent discussions in:
> 
> Shmuel Ahituv, Handbook of Ancient Hebrew Inscriptions, 1992 (in Hebrew)
> 
> and
> 
> Johannes Renz and Wolfgang Rollig, Handbuch der Althebraischen Epigraphik,
> 1995 (in German)
> 
> The latter is especially interesting as it argues for (if I remember right) 
> a
> second century BCE date rather than the c.600BCE date proposed e.g. by 
> Yardeni.
> 
> Does anyone have any comments on the two vastly different dates (both 
> arrived at
> by experienced experts in the Hebrew script)?
> 
> Ian Young
> Sydney University
> 
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Clay,

I found no hits in ATLA or OTA on "Heimerdinger". It sounds like a review 
waiting to be written.

Best wishes,
Fred


> Subject: Topic, focus and foreground in ancient Hebrew narratives
> From: c stirling bartholomew <cc.constantine AT worldnet.att.net>
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:10:21 -0800
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> 
> Hebrew Aficionados,
> 
> I just did a search of the archives for "Heimerdinger" and got no hits. Is
> it possible that there has been absolutely no discussion on b-hebrew of:
> 
> Heimerdinger, Jean-Marc. Topic, focus and foreground in ancient Hebrew
> narratives, Sheffield Academic Press, c1999.
> 
> I just grabbed this from the SPU library shelf a couple of days ago. Since
> the NT Greek publications on Discourse Analysis are still lagging somewhat
> behind the OT Hebrew studies I make it a habit to read as much of the Hebrew
> stuff as I can lay hands on.
> 
> Anybody seen any reviews on this book? I just searched SBL Reviews and
> didn't find any there.
> 
> Thanks for any comments you might have on this title,
> 
> Clay
> 
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Frederic Clarke Putnam, Ph.D.
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