Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Liz Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Moshe Shulman [mailto:mshulman AT ix.netcom.com]

> 
> At 02:07 PM 1/30/01 -0500, Liz Fried wrote:
> >I think the job description of the biblical messiah
> 
> Which Biblical messiah?
Right.
Sorry, I meant the job description of the messiah in the talmud
(which I never have read, and so this is conjecture based on hearsay).

Liz
> 
> 
> 
> >(as opposed to the Christian) was based on the job description
> >of Cyrus the Messiah (Isaiah 45:1):
> >he would rebuild YHWH's temple and the city of Jerusalem,
> >he would return the exiles to their land,
> >and apportion their desolate heritage.
> >The disappointment in Cyrus led to the emphasis on the Davidic line.
> >I suggest passages such as Isaiah 11, which emphasize the Davidic
> >line are later, and post-exilic.
> >Prior to 2nd-Isaiah and Cyrus you have such exilic poems as Psalm
> >89 which show the extreme disappointment in the promises to David.
> >In these biblical texts I don't see an eschatological Messiah.
> >I think you have to wait for Enoch, which I place later, and which
> >is influenced by Zoroastrianism.
> >
> >Liz
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jonathan D. Safren [mailto:yon_saf AT bezeqint.net]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:58 PM
> > > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > > Subject: Re: The Messianic Idea (Was:Re: virgin: _BETHULAH_ and/or
> > > _(ALMAH_ )
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Moshe Shulman" <mshulman AT ix.netcom.com>
> > > To: "Biblical Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:28 PM
> > > Subject: Re: The Messianic Idea (Was:Re: virgin: _BETHULAH_ and/or
> > > _(ALMAH_ )
> > > > I wouldn't mind discussing this if we could first agree as to
> > > what we mean
> > > > bu 'messiah' and which one we are talkign about.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I  mean the classical Jewish belief in the Davidic Messiah, which
> > > had become
> > > so important by the first century CE that within the space of 
> a hundred
> > > years three claimants to this title appeared, of whom the 
> death of one led
> > > to a new religion, and the last of which led to an even worse
> > > devastation of
> > > Judaea than had been caused by the First Revolt (and, as you 
> should know,
> > > there were later claimants to this title as well, such as 
> Shabbetai Zevi,
> > > Solomon Molcho, and, most lately, the Lubavitcher Rebbe). I mean
> > > the belief
> > > which had originated in the term used for every king of Israel
> > > and Judah, "
> > > the anointed one", which combined with the prophetic ideal of the
> > > ideal king
> > > as expressed in Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel, continued by the early
> > > post-exilix prophets, and, when their prophecies and hopes 
> did not come
> > > true, turned from real to eschatological.
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Jonathan D. Safren
> > > Chairman
> > > Dept. of Biblical Studies
> > > Beit Berl College
> > > 44905 Israel
> > >
> > >
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