Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Dave Washburn" <dwashbur AT nyx.net>]

Liz,
This is just a quick note to tell you I haven't forgotten our
discussion of this subject.  I'm hoping to dig out some info this
weekend and reply some time next week.  Thanks for your
patience.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Washburn [mailto:dwashbur AT nyx.net]
>
> > > > Better, I think, to bring the arguments than to claim a view outdated.
> > > Yes, can we have some examples where SVO clauses are clearly meant
> > > to carry the narration along?
> >
> > I want to be sure I understand you here: are you saying that the
> > only two possible options for SVO are either 1) pluperfect or 2) "to
> > carry the narration along"?  If so, this is the problem.  As Harold
> > Holmyard already pointed out, SVO is mainly used to provide
> > circumstantial information that may be, but need not necessarily
> > be, pluperfect.  In fact it can be concurrent with the main line, or
> > even subsequent as required by the context.  There are some
> > pluperfects, to be sure, but pluperfect is not the primary force of the
> > SVO construction.
>
> I was taught that, the SVO in a narrative text should be translated
> with "meanwhile," i.e., concurrent as you say, or in the pluperfect.
> Are there any examples where the SVO clause is clearly subsequent?
> I was working on the Dinah story, and got called to task by my professor
> because I hadn't taken account of this. Gen. 34:5 I had translated
> "then Joseph heard," and the prof wanted "Meanwhile, Joseph had heard."
>
> An example from Rashi is Gen. 4:1,
> "And the man knew' already before the events related above took place--
> before
> he sinned and was driven out of the Garden of Eden. So, also, the conception
> and birth of Cain took place before this. Had it been written,
> yada(  )adam
> it would imply that after he was driven out children were born to him."
>
> This is very important, do you have any examples where the SVO
> clause is clearly subsequent?
>
>
> thanks,
> liz
>
> >
> > Dave Washburn
> > http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur
> > "Éist le glór Dé."
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Dave Washburn
http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur
"Éist le glór Dé."