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  • From: ben.crick AT argonet.co.uk (Ben Crick)
  • To: b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu
  • Subject: Re: Job 38:31,32
  • Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:24:15 +0100


On Thu 1 Jun 2000 (09:46:14 +1200), cctr114 AT its.canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
>
> 1) How certain are we that these are indeed constellations?
> 2) How certain are we that they correspond to the constellations
> of Pleiades, Orion, Ursa Major or Minor?

Dear Bill.

Not a direct answer; but here is a transcript of a post I sent to B-Greek on
Tues 5 Jan 99 (18:08:55) in reply to a similar question on the LXX of Amos
5:8. (hence the transliterated Greek)
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The context is about seasonal changes; part of a hymn to the "transforming
God" hO METASKEUAZWN. The "seven stars" is a fairly certain reference to
the Pleiades, KiYMaH in Hebrew; "Orion" is Ke:SiYL in Hebrew, a word which
can mean "fool", or any "constellation", or the best-known constellation,
Orion the Hunter. These two constellations become prominent in the sky in
turn as the seasons change from summer to winter and back.

Ke:SiYL recurs in Isaiah 13:10 as Ke:SiYLeYTeM, "and their constellations".
The LXX has hOI GAR ASTERES TOU OURANOU KAI hO WRIWN KAI PAS hO KOSMOS TOU
OURANOU, ktl.; seemingly adding Orion as a free example of one of the
constellations (PAS hO KOSMOS TOU OURANOU).

The names of the 1st-magnitude stars were known to the ancients; e.g.
Job 9:9 LXX, hO POIWN PLEIDA KAI hESPERON KAI ARKTURON, KAI TAMEINA NOTOU.
Pleiades, Hesperus, Arcturus we know; perhaps the "Chambers of the South"
refers to the southern-hemisphere constellations, not visible from the
eastern Mediterranean. In Job 38:31-32 we again meet Pleiades and Orion;
also MAZOURWQ EN KAIRWi AUTOU. The Hebrew MaZZaRoWT (plural) means "the
12 signs of the Zodiac" according to Strong's 04216; from the Hiph`il
participle of NFZaR, to consecrate. Some connection here with astrology
and idolatry. After Creation, the "morning stars sang together, and all
the sons of God shouted for joy" (Job 38:7). These morning stars and sons
of God are thought to mean the Angels; with Lucifer their chief (Isaiah
14:12). Lucifer is hEWSFOROS , light-bearer, in the LXX; taken to be the
planet Venus. One of the titles of Christ is "the bright and morning star"
(Revelation 22:16).

Astrology was a no-no for the children of Israel; hence the ignorance of
the Scribes in Jerusalem when the Magi came asking about the star they had
seen in the East (Matthew 2). Even so, young Moses, as putative heir to the
throne, was instructed in all the secrets of the Egyptians in the
prestigious Scribal School and Military Academy (Josephus, /Antiquities/,
2.9.5-7). The Great Pyramid had its "skysight" aligned on Sirius when it
was constructed in 2200 BC; the Dog Star played an important part in the
Pharaoh cultus. Also Daniel and his friends were schooled in the "learning
and language of the Chaldeans" (Daniel 1:4). The ancients knew all about
the Metonic Cycle of 19 years, after which the Sun and Moon return to
approximately the same relative positions in the sky as when they started.
The 19-year cycle is not accurate enough; 315 years is a more accurate
figure for this "Sanctuary Cycle". The oft mentioned periods of 1260 solar
years in Daniel ("Time, Times, and half a Time") are periods of four exact
Sanctuary Cycles.
___________________________________________ end of quoted passage

MaZZaRoWT could be a scribal slip for MaZZaLoWT, 2 Kings 23:5, translated
as planets (KJV and NEB), or constellations (NIV and NRSV).

"Arcturus with her sons" could be the Great Bear, Ursa Major, the Plough
(invisible to you down under in New Zealand). On the other hand, the
Israelites could never see the Southern Cross; is that one of the "Chambers
of the South" (XaD:R"Y T"MFN, Job 9:9)? Astrologers talk about the *Houses*
of the Zodiac.

`F$ or `FYi$ comes from the root `uW$, to come to help or hasten. The
fastest-moving bright star is Alpha-Bootes, "Arcturus", which moves about
half a degree of arc in 800 years (about the diameter of the moon). Then
the "sons of Arcturus" would be the rest of the cluster of Bootes.

Does this help any? I have no definitive answer.

Shalom wkol tob
Ben
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Revd Ben Crick, BA CF
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