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- From: peter_kirk AT SIL.ORG
- To: GregStffrd AT aol.com
- Cc: b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu
- Subject: Re[5]: YHWH vs. Yahweh
- Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 01:50:03 -0400
Interesting question. I looked through all the Hebrew names which are
traditionally rendered in English with a V or W (not very many). I
found that in many cases where in Hebrew the waw is syllable-initial
it is transliterated in LXX with OU, occasionally with O, U or W
(omega), and sometimes there is no letter reflecting the waw. But the
nearest to a rule which one can find is that syllable-initial waw is
transliterated OU.
The closest equivalent to YHWH in the list is the first one, Hebrew
)AH:AWF), which is transliterated as AOUE in LXX. This suggests that a
pronunciation of YHWH as YAH:AWFH or YAH:AWEH could lie behind
Clement's IAOUE. And the hatef-patah in these forms is very short and
mobile, it is often replaced by silent shewa in Hebrew manuscripts, so
it can hardly be called a third syllable, just as you mentioned for
Yaakov. But this is no evidence for a three syllable pronunciation
with a middle long O or U vowel, which was I think your earlier
preference. Very short vowels may have been left out in
transliteration, but long O's were not.
I have attached a list of all of the occurrences which I can find in
the Hebrew Bible of syllable-initial waw in proper names with their
LXX renderings.
Peter Kirk
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Subject: Re[4]: YHWH vs. Yahweh
Author: GregStffrd AT aol.com at internet
Date: 30/04/1999 10:21
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Dear Peter:
Is there some reason for taking OU as representing W? If you have a list of
Hebrew names whose W is transliterated into the Greek OU, that would be very
helpful.
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ENGLISH HEBREW LXX GREEK FOR W REFERENCES (in EVV)
Ahava )AH:AWF) EUI U EZR 8:15
AOUE OU EZR 8:21,31
Alvah (AL:WFH GWLA - GEN 36:40
Alvan (AL:WFN GWLWN W? GEN 36:23
Arvadite )AR:WFDIY ARADI- - GEN 10:18
Arvad )AR:WFD ARADI- - EZK 27:8,11
Ashvath (A$:WFT ASIQ - 1CH 7:33
Bigvai B.IG:WAY BAGOUI OU EZR 2:2
BAGOI O EZR 2:14, NEH 7:7,19, 10:16
BAGO O? EZR 8:14
Hodevah HOWD:WAH OUDOUIA OUI NEH 7:43 (text ??)
Ishvah YI$:WFH IESOUA OU GEN 46:17
ISOUA OU 1CH 7:30
Ishvi YI$:WIY IEOUL OU? GEN 46:17
IESOU OU? NUM 26:44 (v.28 LXX)
IESSIOU ? 1SA 14:49
ISOUI OU? 1CH 7:30
Ishvites YI$:WIY IESOUI OU NUM 26:44 (v.28 LXX)
Parvaim P.AR:WFYIM FAROUAIM OU 2CH 3:6
Sepharvaim S:PAR:WAYIM SEMFAROUAIN OU 2KI 17:24,31, 18:34, 19:13
SEMFARIM - ISA 36:19, 37:13
Sepharvites S:PAR:WIY SEMFAROUAIN OU 2KI 17:31
Tikvah T.IQ:WFH QEKOUE OU 2KI 22:14, EZR 10:15
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Re: Re[3]: YHWH vs. Yahweh,
GregStffrd, 04/30/1999
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: YHWH vs. Yahweh, yahua'sef, 05/01/1999
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Re: YHWH vs. Yahweh,
George Athas, 05/01/1999
- Re: YHWH vs. Yahweh, yahua'sef, 05/01/1999
- Re[5]: YHWH vs. Yahweh, peter_kirk, 05/01/1999
- Re[6]: YHWH vs. Yahweh, peter_kirk, 05/01/1999
- Re: Re[5]: YHWH vs. Yahweh, GregStffrd, 05/01/1999
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Re: Re[6]: YHWH vs. Yahweh,
yahua'sef, 05/01/1999
- Re: Re[6]: YHWH vs. Yahweh, yahua'sef, 05/01/1999
- Re[4]: YHWH vs. Yahweh, peter_kirk, 05/01/1999
- Re[7]: YHWH vs. Yahweh, peter_kirk, 05/01/1999
- Re: YHWH vs. Yahweh, Jack Kilmon, 05/02/1999
- Re[2]: YHWH vs. Yahweh, peter_kirk, 05/02/1999
- Re[3]: YHWH vs. Yahweh, Rolf Furuli, 05/03/1999
- Re: Re[3]: YHWH vs. Yahweh, yahua'sef, 05/03/1999
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