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- From: Paul Zellmer <zellmer AT cag.pworld.net.ph>
- To: B-hebrew list <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Cc: RHutchin AT aol.com
- Subject: Re: Jeremiah 23:2
- Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:37:28 +0800
RHutchin AT aol.com wrote:
> In the following two verses, the same Hebrew word is translated as visiting,
> visited, and visit. Could someone explain this word and why it can be used
> in
> seemingly opposing contexts?
>
> Exodus 20
> 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD
> thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the
> children
> unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
>
> Jeremiah 23
> 2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that
> feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have
> not
> visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith
> the
> LORD.
I haven't seen anyone else respond to this, so let me give you a possible
answer and a
place to go to research it further.
It appears like your question is over the way the word has been translated,
but you
really need to try to get a grasp on its meaning in general to begin to
understand the
answer you are looking for on these cases in particular. According to the
article
(unsigned, by the way :^<) on PQD in the Theological Wordbook of the Old
Testament
(TWOT), "The basic meaning is to exercise oversight over a subordinate,
either in the
form of inspecting or of taking action to cause a considerable change in the
circumstances of the subordinate, either for the better or for the worse."
The
article goes on to quote Speiser, BASOR, 149:21: "There is probably no other
Hebrew
verb that has caused translators as much trouble as pqd."
Later, the article says this: "When translated 'visit,' as fifty-seven times
in the
KJV (RSV the same in many of these occurrences), this word almost always has
the
sense, now largely obsolete, of 'making a visitation' and points to the
action that
produces a great change in the position of a subordinate either for good or
for ill."
I really recommend you look at the article, if only for the extensive
bibliography
that would guide you in further research on a fairly common word in the
Tanakh. (It
was used more than 300X.)
Hope this helps. If you want to discuss the breadth of the English word,
"visit," I
guess we can do that.
Paul
--
Paul and Dee Zellmer, Jimmy Guingab, Geoffrey Beltran
Ibanag Translation Project
Cabagan, Philippines
zellmer AT faith.edu.ph
-
Jeremiah 23:2,
RHutchin, 09/10/1998
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: Jeremiah 23:2, Paul Zellmer, 09/12/1998
- Re: Jeremiah 23:2, Ben Crick, 09/12/1998
- Re: Jeremiah 23:2, Jonathan Robie, 09/12/1998
-
Re: Jeremiah 23:2,
Paul Zellmer, 09/13/1998
- Transcription, Jonathan Robie, 09/13/1998
- Re: Jeremiah 23:2, Ben Crick, 09/13/1998
- Re: Jeremiah 23:2, Jonathan Robie, 09/13/1998
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