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  • From: Rashmi Sinha <rashmi AT rashmisinha.com>
  • To: aifia-metrics AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: RE: [Aifia-metrics] Agenda for the group
  • Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 11:37:14 -0700

Hi all,
What does everyone think about Christopher's point below.

He is advocating more of a top-down approach than what we have been considering so far.

Thoughts?

-Rashmi




At 11:32 AM 6/30/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi Rashmi,
>
>I'm keeping this a personal note to you first, just wanted to get your
>input first - didn't want to be seen like I'm the ideas of others'.
>
>I don't know about the "it's too soon for a standard" idea.
>
>Let's define the word standard. If standard means, it's just a basic
>idea of how we do things - sure - a standard if fine.
>
> >From the basic idea of how we do things, we can modify/improve/remove
>as we go along, learning from others.
>
>I think assuming that it's good to thrash everything out and just share
>and share and share and share all we know and have experienced is only
>going to overwhelm us, and I'm sure many of us know that it can be
>demotivating when something overwhelms us.
>
>So rather releasing the dam gates, I think a top-down approach might
>just be a little more effective. Afterall, what doesn't necessarily
>work can always be improved and fixed. It's when we have too many
>choices to consider (via a bottom up approach), our heads become numb
>and we find no concensus.
>
>I guess everything I'm writing here is still a little vague - i'm
>sorry. i just wished I had a better way to present my thoughts.
>===
>
>Just some info about me self (copy and paste job from my last
>introduction in another list - sorry):
>
>Am 29, Male. From Malaysia. 5' 8" (8' 11" on rainy days). Speak Bahasa
>Melayu, English and Malayalam (a close derivative of the Sanskrit
>language). Understand intermediate Bahasa Indonesia, Cantonese and
>Tamil, and basic Korean. Love chess, cycling, Film production, and
>thinks Timon and Pumbaa will make great information architects, if
>given a chance. || key words: Timon and Pumbaa ||
>
>Been working in the "media" industry the last 8+ years now. A software
>engineer by training, but have a passion for what goes on in the
>creative and abstract world. Worked on system-security projects for the
>US Dept. of Defense. Understand complex programming concepts, including
>OOP (though am not a die-hard believer in it). || key words: not a die
>hard || :)
>
>I believe in the equilibrium between the left and the right brain, and
>so I consider myself a hybrid - tech and creative centric? Yes,
>sometimes I wear two sock of different shades out to work.
>Nevertheless, it doesn't stop me from building systems/products
>that "truly" work for my clients. || key words: two sock of different
>shades ||
>
>Experience working with people from MTV Asia, Disney TV, and
>Dreamworks. gave me a good understanding of broadcast, film, digital
>media, globalization and the inevitability of convergence. My last
full-
>time stint was Head of Content and Interaction with Terra Lycos
>(www.terralycos.com) in Asia (www.lycosasia.com). Currently am Senior
>Partner of a boutique animation/cross-media outfit (Radicate) based in
>Australia. Work and projects have taken me to most parts of Asia,
>though I currently do a lot of work in Singapore, Malaysia and
>Hongkong. I welcome comments personal discussion (off-list) from film
>buffs, if any. || key words: the inevitability of convergence ||
>
>My interest in the IA industry revolve alot around UI/X and am always
>pushing the limits of it's application within the scope of convergence.
>
>Am more than glad to share my "saddest" achievements - the would
>haves', could haves' and should haves' - if and when it's relevant to
>the list/
>
>Take-aways from industry and the various IA projects I've worked on:
>(1) Sometimes your colleague is your best mentor - s/he complements
>what you do - that alone is something to appreciate and learn from.
>
>(2) Saying "thank you" and "good work" never hurts :)
>
>Oh, and one more thing... you gotta' have a sense of humor -
>information architecture can sometimes be a lonely road to travel (and
>sometimes that's why it's the road less travelled). || key words: you
>gotta' have a sense of humor ||
>
>
>
>Always open to learning from my peers, here!
>
>Best wishes,
>Christopher Gomez
>Senior *Fill In The Blank*
>www.radicate.com
>==&==
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Rashmi Sinha <rashmi AT rashmisinha.com>
>Date: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:32 am
>Subject: RE: [Aifia-metrics] Agenda for the group
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Below I have summed up the jist of the comments on the agenda for
> > the group:
> >
> > -Scope of initiative should be broad. Should include evaluation
> > methods, metrics, guidelines, patterns, rules-of-thumb, do's
> > and don't. For every such contribution, it would be nice to
><== message truncated ==>


----- Original Message -----
From: Rashmi Sinha <rashmi AT rashmisinha.com>
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2003 2:32 am
Subject: RE: [Aifia-metrics] Agenda for the group

> Hi,
>
> Below I have summed up the jist of the comments on the agenda for
> the group:
>
> -Scope of initiative should be broad. Should include evaluation
> methods,
> metrics, guidelines, patterns, rules-of-thumb, do's and don't. For
> every
> such contribution, it would be nice to know what worked and what
> did not.
>
> -Bottom up approach (letting people share methods and measures)
> is
> appropriate right now. For this some sort of a community
> infrastructure for
> sharing is needed.
>
> -Top down approach (standards etc.) are a worthy goal and worth
> aiming for.
> We do not know enough to push ahead with that currently. But its
> important
> to keep that in mind as we go on with the project.
>
> Can we go around and get some feedback, suggestions on this
> summary? Some
> quick ay's and nay's, suggestions, refinements would be great.
> Lets make
> sure to hear from everyone on the list before we forge ahead.
>
> cheers!
>
> -rashmi
>
>
>
> At 03:49 PM 6/20/2003 -0700, Susan Campbell wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I share Liv's perspective that it's too soon for standards, and
> we can gain
> >a lot learning from each other on what worked well and what
> failed. I prefer
> >the bottom up method to get for sharing information, but top-down
> is useful
> >when it comes to formatting all the ideas into a useful format
> (paper, best
> >practices checklist, website, etc.)
> >
> >I'd also like to hear about the range of measures IAs need. These
> needs>might naturally come out of method discussion.
> >
> >A bit on me...
> >Susan Campbell...I lead Information Architecture and Usability
> Engineering>at ZAAZ, a web agency in Seattle. Trying to balance
> work with outdoor
> >sports so you probably won't reach me after hours ;)
> >
> >Glad to be involved and meet you all.
> >
> >Have a great weekend,
> >Susan
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