[permaculture] THE MOVEMENT...EVOLVING

Lawrence London lfljvenaura at gmail.com
Mon Apr 23 14:46:07 EDT 2018


On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:10 PM, João Pedro Moreira Gonçalves <
joaovox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Scott and All,
>
> enjoy
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> "Introduction to Cybernetics and the Future" by Mary Catherine Bateson:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXQraugWbjQ
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> another question:
> Permaculture seen not as "a movement" but rather as "space and time" in our
> lives?
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> Us and systems evolving in this "space and time"?
> Not to "evolve it", rather it "to evolve us together"?
>

Let things happen rather than make them happen.

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> In the end, the path makes the people making the path ...
>


Wonderful. Something for the dreamers, visionaries, brainstormers.
Look at cosmology, Einstein, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Stephen Hawking; these
are all Earth-connected people.

On the practical side look at the work of R Buckminster Fuller and W
Edwards Deming (for planning how to evolve)

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> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 4:38 PM, Scott Pittman <scott at permaculture.org>
> wrote:
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> >
> > I think this can be "a" step, "the next big step" not hardly.  I don't
> > have much faith in "Transition Town" they don't seem to have much
> traction
> > in the U.S.A.  Too much focus on process and too little on action seems
> the
> > most common complaint.
> >
> > I also have given up on the IPC; I have flogged "invisible structures"
> > through four IPC's with my Elephant in the Room sessions and have been
> met
> > with scorn, approbation, and lack of interest.  The genome seems to be
> > configured to capitalism in most humans and I see that greed trumps (that
> > word again) "care". Without a major focus on ethics permaculture is mired
> > in the swamp of "herbal spirals" and "swales" and I, frankly, am bored to
> > tears with both subjects.
> >
> > What brought me to permaculture was the ethics, principals and invisible
> > structures; all the rest was "technique".  Seems we have lost our focus
> and
> > are slipping back into the same old paradigm we were fighting to
> overcome.
> > The core of permaculture  is "care" and care translates into love in most
> > cultures.  Love has been at the core of virtually every spiritual
> tradition
> > since the maternalistic societies of the middle east and as such have
> > endured the ravages of time, though much diminished by religiosity
> > a "carrot/stick" pedagogy.
> >
> > Where that leaves me is to continue thinking my way through how to escape
> > the mire of the current paradigm ( and certainly Trump is a huge
> harbinger
> > of this paradigm) without violence, and lies.  I am still puzzling my way
> > through my book "Dharma of Permaculture", but it is not an easy task.  I
> am
> > also trying to maintain so faith in the divine nature of man, though I
> > often want to sink into the nihilistic "fuck it".
> >
> > Scott Pittman
> > Permaculture Institute
> >
> > On 4/20/2018 10:50 AM, Steve Hart wrote:
> >
> >> This event could be the next big step ?
> >>
> >> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/transition-together-an-intern
> >> ational-symposium-on-the-need-for-societal-transitions-and-s
> >> ystems-level-change/2018/02/19
> >>
> >> ​I assume there will be many UK Permies in attendance and also sure we
> all
> >> look fwd to the summaries and ongoing steps. Finally it seems many of
> our
> >> "Invisible Structures" are coming out of the closet. Perhaps the reality
> >> and truth behind all the ghosts and smoking mirrors will be exposed to
> to
> >> allow us to better interpret where we have come from and how our
> societies
> >> have been conditioned, to then move forward.  Hopefully we can evolve
> this
> >> thread through IPCs​
> >>
> >>
> >> *Steve Hart*
> >> *Ecology Architect​. *
> >> Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
> >> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
> >> and Systems Ecology.​
> >> Skype: tipenemanawa
> >> Phone: +64 220 75 62 11
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Permaculture International College
> >> www.permaculture <http://www.permaculturecollege.eu>education.com
> >> https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart
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> >
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