[permaculture] THE MOVEMENT...EVOLVING

Jason Gerhardt jasongerhardt at gmail.com
Sun Apr 22 12:43:32 EDT 2018


Scott wrote: "Seems we have lost our focus and are slipping back into the
same old paradigm we were fighting to overcome.  The core of permaculture
is "care" and care translates into love in most cultures."

That's it. The only hope. Love. All the other interesting things about
"Permaculture" must emanate from that center. A lot of people haven't found
their center, which is why I've never been able to identify with a
"movement" in permaculture. People are too busy chasing what we were all
programmed to chase (money, fame, senses). Too busy with dogma (servants of
ideas). Too busy building new boxes to contain and constrain (mental
enslavement). "The goal is not to build a new box, it's to break down the
walls of the box in the first place" (first heard from Joel Glanzberg,
attributed to Malcolm X).

At any rate, "Permaculture" as it is increasingly known, has increasingly
little to do with permanence in culture. Time to look outside the box.

Jason





On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 3:52 AM, Lee Flier <lflier at mindspring.com> wrote:

> Well said, Scott. I’ve been put off by the Silicon Valley-ish capitalistic
> fervor of a lot of folks calling themselves Permaculturists these days.
> Love and care do indeed seem to be absent from the equation. I feel a
> strong pull to practice in a much quieter way, and that’s mostly what I’ve
> been doing. It’s not likely to make me rich, but that isn’t the goal.
>
> > On Apr 21, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Scott Pittman <scott at permaculture.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I think this can be "a" step, "the next big step" not hardly.  I don't
> have much faith in "Transition Town" they don't seem to have much traction
> in the U.S.A.  Too much focus on process and too little on action seems the
> most common complaint.
> >
> > I also have given up on the IPC; I have flogged "invisible structures"
> through four IPC's with my Elephant in the Room sessions and have been met
> with scorn, approbation, and lack of interest.  The genome seems to be
> configured to capitalism in most humans and I see that greed trumps (that
> word again) "care". Without a major focus on ethics permaculture is mired
> in the swamp of "herbal spirals" and "swales" and I, frankly, am bored to
> tears with both subjects.
> >
> > What brought me to permaculture was the ethics, principals and invisible
> structures; all the rest was "technique".  Seems we have lost our focus and
> are slipping back into the same old paradigm we were fighting to overcome.
> The core of permaculture  is "care" and care translates into love in most
> cultures.  Love has been at the core of virtually every spiritual tradition
> since the maternalistic societies of the middle east and as such have
> endured the ravages of time, though much diminished by religiosity
> > a "carrot/stick" pedagogy.
> >
> > Where that leaves me is to continue thinking my way through how to
> escape the mire of the current paradigm ( and certainly Trump is a huge
> harbinger of this paradigm) without violence, and lies.  I am still
> puzzling my way through my book "Dharma of Permaculture", but it is not an
> easy task.  I am also trying to maintain so faith in the divine nature of
> man, though I often want to sink into the nihilistic "fuck it".
> >
> > Scott Pittman
> > Permaculture Institute
> >
> >> On 4/20/2018 10:50 AM, Steve Hart wrote:
> >> This event could be the next big step ?
> >>
> >> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/transition-together-an-
> international-symposium-on-the-need-for-societal-
> transitions-and-systems-level-change/2018/02/19
> >>
> >> ​I assume there will be many UK Permies in attendance and also sure we
> all
> >> look fwd to the summaries and ongoing steps. Finally it seems many of
> our
> >> "Invisible Structures" are coming out of the closet. Perhaps the reality
> >> and truth behind all the ghosts and smoking mirrors will be exposed to
> to
> >> allow us to better interpret where we have come from and how our
> societies
> >> have been conditioned, to then move forward.  Hopefully we can evolve
> this
> >> thread through IPCs​
> >>
> >>
> >> *Steve Hart*
> >> *Ecology Architect​. *
> >> Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
> >> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
> >> and Systems Ecology.​
> >> Skype: tipenemanawa
> >> Phone: +64 220 75 62 11
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Permaculture International College
> >> www.permaculture <http://www.permaculturecollege.eu>education.com
> >> https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart
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