[permaculture] Good science and Permaculture.

Lawrence London lfljvenaura at gmail.com
Wed Apr 4 03:25:09 EDT 2018


On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 12:44 AM, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes I agree it would be a great shift in consciousness and development of
> the intellect but, why do we not have the debate or even discussion on this
> site ? IO know of no other site that has any debate or discussion either.
>


> Has apathy taken


That's probably part of it.


> over or have we just had too much flouride  ? Which shifts
> our front brain backwards, the deliberate and only reason flouride exists
>

Flouride is nasty stuff.
Decent diet of food you grow yourself and prepare plus brushing and
flossing is adequate to
prevent the heart disease that comes from plaque forming on teeth if you
don't maintain good oral hygiene.
Flouride not needed except for lazy types who eat junk food, i.e. morons
and everyone else has to pay the price of having
flouride in their diet from its presence in drinking water.

in our food chain. How can we stimulate the debate ? Resilience.org has
> some good essays but still no debate.
>

I'll look at that.


> Perhaps John Taylor Gatto is right..our education system has created a
> world full of mooorons.
>
> The education system is excellent and teachers are skilled and dedicated.
Students have to want to learn and become well-rounded, informed,
knowledgable, employable, skilled adults.
When AI, machine learning, quantum computing, robotics begins to realize
its potential there will be far fewer jobs.
That is why I have advised forming communities physical and virtual,
establish cottage industries, build a free marketing network, find new
careers and livelihoods that are part of local, community economies. I
could go on about this for many ages. Maybe someone else has ideas.


Or are we all tooo busy in survival mode or just keeping abreast of all
> subjects in this fast moving changing world.
>
> All of the above. We would be doing this anyway.


> Perhaps we need to select 9-10 people specifically and ask them to
> deliberately contribute insightful opinion on subjects.
>

Yes. I'll start by listing a few:

Georg
Koreen
Scott
a few others I have noticed over the past two years but can not remember
their names




> Steve Hart
>
> On 4 April 2018 at 16:33, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 12:19 AM, Steve Hart <
> stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes..partly right. There has been numerous attempts at spiritual and
> > > cultural transformations, none of which have proved any shift at all.
> > > However, when we look at how our world has been operated since circa
> > 14th C
> > > we see that our global economic policy or better, systems / doctrine
> > > dictates every facet of all our lives. So we need to actually start
> with
> > > changing the policy. It is happening, very very slowly in many small
> > ways.
> > > There are little fires burning across the globe. But we need a massive
> > > wildfire for it to reach a threshold. Keep lighting the fires....Steve
> > Hart
> > >
> >
> > Yes, we need to keep the home fires burning, keep the faith and kindle
> the
> > enthusiasm.
> > I have to say that if a good number of us posted something to this list
> > every day that would go a long way toward
> > bringing more people to Permaculture and keeping those of us already
> > practicing it every day aware that there is a movement and we are not
> > floating alone like a cork on a vast sea.
> > If I want to live a life of contemplation and meditation I can do this
> but
> > if I want to immerse myself in the marvels of Permaculture then I would
> > hope that an exchange of ideas and
> > knowledge with others pursuing the Permaculture path would be possible
> > somewhere.
> >
> > The concept of seeing the World though the lens of Permaculture is real,
> > deep, bountiful and shines brightly along the horizon.
> >
> > Thanks for posting, Steve!
> >
> > >
> > > On 4 April 2018 at 14:53, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > ​
> > > >
> > > > He is right on the money. Seriously, many of us in the world of
> natural
> > > > agriculture and permaculture have been working in the trenches trying
> > to
> > > > achieve these goals for at least fifty years, some were holding the
> > fort,
> > > > like a stone in the stream, as things went against best living
> > practices
> > > > for humanity on this fragile planet.
> > > > --
> > > > Lawrence F. London, Jr.
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> *Steve Hart*
> *Ecology Architect*
> *Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
> and Systems Ecology.​*
> Skype: tipenemanawa
> Phone: +64 220 75 62 11
>
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Lawrence F. London, Jr.
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