[permaculture] [eu-pc-network] Re: Permaculture Economics..a NEW SCHOOL ?

Steve Hart stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com
Wed Feb 15 14:36:31 EST 2017


Donka..are you continuing your activity and presence at your university ?
if so in what capacity ? will you be lecturing or mentoring Masters
students ?...or are you soon to emmigrate to New Zealand ? Steve Hart

On 16 February 2017 at 00:35, DONKA RADEVA <donnybg at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Steve and all,
>
> Another good source is this book - The Blue Economy. I have it in
> Bulgarian. :-)
>
> https://books.google.bg/books/about/The_Blue_Economy.html?
> id=aJ3HZD1H7ZsC&source=kp_cover&redir_esc=y
>
> A new school is smth. valuable to work on ... I hope in the near future to
> have some student network. It is of course not very easy because a work in
> this direction is gravitating around the edges and not attractive for
> everybody to undertake the challenge.
>
> There are also many people and researchers from this network https://
> europeancommonsassembly.eu/  and this list: commonswatch at lists.
> p2pfoundation.net, who are very active with the topic Commons on all
> levels - food, economy, democracy etc.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Donka
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:44 PM, Steve Hart <
> stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Another good book
>
> Herman Daly & Joshua Farley
> "Ecological Economics principles and applicxations"
>
> Steve Hart
>
>
>
> On 15 February 2017 at 09:34, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Another book which I'm sure many are aware of by
>
> Herman Daly & John Cobb Jr
>
> "For the Common Good"
>
> www.scottlondon.com/reviews/ daly.html
> <http://www.scottlondon.com/reviews/daly.html>
>
> Steve Hart
>
> On 13 February 2017 at 09:01, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Andy and Carlos.
>
> Andy are you presenting anything at this conference ? It would be good to
> see what rationale is evolving for any ethic and philosophy for this New
> School of Economics. I have had chat with a number of different thoughts
> with the basis always folding back to realising an ethic and philosophy
> from preservation and organic growth that builds ecosystems and build
> resources rather than consuming. So its a complete reversal of the paradigm
> we are all locked into on a ferris wheel that we can not jump off..unless
> we develop a gradual pathway of initiatives and networks. There are many
> good models already emerging throughout our networks.
>
> Andy..perhaps some funding needs to be found to employ someone to put
> together a research of all models and design a linkage to them. Maybe there
> is someone like Donka who is about to finish her PhD..someone preparing to
> do a Masters or PhD who may like to pull these threads together.
>
> There are schools emerging in Denmark and Ireland too. Hal can you comment
> on theses.
>
> Ross can you comment on the many small models evolving you have seen.
>
> Social Permaculture is emerging stronger and stronger which will evolve
> many such models. These are the practical strategies down the line of the
> stream of Planning. Cart before the horse perhaps. It may be of benefit to
> evolve the extending thinking by working through an Ethic and Philosophy to
> Principles and Policy then encapsulate these strategies and models as
> examples of such EPPP.
>
> The Ferris Wheel has been very well designed since the 14th C. It locks in
> every stream of society including the legal system, which is different from
> law. It locks in much of the mainstream education and science, engineering
> and communication/media as well off course all bureaucrazy.
>
> To understand this is the beginning, where we need to start, it is not
> about any conspiracy or dooms day ..it is a learning curve very valuable to
> be able to begin a journey on designing a new economy. It is about
> understanding where has our existing paradigm come from ? who designed it ?
> how ? and why ? for what purpose and what gain ? Simply, the entire global
> and legal system which controls every aspect of society has been designed
> and maintained by the Rothschilds and their Bank of England. Sure there are
> snippets of paranoia, but any smart person who can join the dots will
> figure it out quickly.....Steve Hart
>
>
>
> As mentioned in an earlier email
>
> On 11 February 2017 at 00:29, Alessandro Ardovini <alexardov at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Awesome, Andy! I would love to hear about that!
>
> 2017-02-10 11:12 GMT+01:00 Andy Goldring <andyg at permaculture.org.uk>:
>
> Hi all,
> I am going to this conference and I'm in touch with the organisers - they
> are keen to for permaculture to be there. We have promoted the survey about
> the manifesto in the network.
> Andy
>
> On 09/02/17 19:39, Steve Hart wrote:
>
> Hi guys..here is another initiative that could be linked in some way
>
> http://neweconomyforum.org/man ifesto/
> <http://neweconomyforum.org/manifesto/>
>
> Steve Hart
>
> On 9 February 2017 at 10:15, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Tim..which idea do you support ? The development formation of a new
> school ?  I do too, absolutely !
>
> However fraught with dangers  of diversion and infiltration it may be, we
> still need to develop it. As a piece of black humour we could have the very
> first meeting / conference at a facility in Switzerland called Mont
> Pelerin. I assume you are familiar with The Mont Pelerin Society" its
> beginning, evolution  and history ?
>
> https://www.montpelerin.org/
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Mont_P%C3%A8lerin
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_P%C3%A8lerin>
>
> Or we could invite it in association with IPC13 in India, http://ipcindia2017.org
> / <http://ipcindia2017.org/>
>
> Hear from you soon to further develop the idea
>
> Steve Hart
>
> On 3 February 2017 at 20:16, Tim <t.shanks at ymail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
> Sounds like a very interesting idea which I fully support.
> Best regards,
> Tim
>
> On 25/01/2017 03:11, Steve Hart wrote:
>
> Hi Donny..an interesting paper which opens the exploration. Perhaps the
> question goes back to the development of the world of Economics. Developed
> from Rothschilds circa 14th century, pursuit of building the industry of
> usery and slavery to maintain usery. Today the entire world are still
> slaves to this economic policy which controls every aspect of todays
>  world.  We have been conditioned to it through generations. Perhaps 1%
> live as the kings of the slavery. It has been specifically designed this
> way for that purpose. The only way we will evolve is to redesign the usery
> / consumerist / growth / entropic paradigm or policy. It must change to
> conservation / fair share / ecological sustainability. Perhaps your "New
> Agriculturalists" sub-consciously seek the new paradigm and are very slowly
> emerging into it. There is also a warm-fuzzy growth in "Commons" and
> "Peasantry" perhaps through similar sub-conscious fervour. None of which
> comes from a planned or designed framework or school. This book is one of a
> new pattern that begins working in this area
>
> "Growing A New Economy: Beyond Crisis Capitalism & Environmental
> Destruction
> ​"​
> Roar Bjonnes and Caroline Hargreaves
> InnerWorld Publications San Germán, Puerto Rico www.innerworldpublication
> s.com <http://www.innerworldpublications.com/>
>
> But we still have a long way to go. Perhaps we could open a new school to
> evolve it further I'm sure Tim Shanks would support such.
>
> Keep me posted on your next layer of papers
>
> Warm regards
>
> Steve Hart
>
> On 24 January 2017 at 11:35, DONKA RADEVA <donnybg at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I'm just at the end, have less than 2 weeks to deliver it in my department
> and too much work now.
> I'm ready with the research results and about to publish some of them but
> still in Bulgarian language. Later on will do this in English.
> I'm attaching one of my articles /in collaboration/ in English,
> unpublished yet, and still on the theoretical part of the research and it
> is around looking for an economic thought.
>
> Will let you know more in details later on, when less hectic around all of
> these. :-)
>
>
> Best,
>
> Donka
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:22 AM, Steve Hart <
> stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Donny..howz the PhD going ? what stage are you at ? perhaps time to
> release a few snippets on this network. Do not hesitate to ask for any
> material through this network. Did you find any models you could use ? And
> we await your arrival in NZ..Steve
>
> On 24 January 2017 at 10:57, DONKA RADEVA via permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.or
> g <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>> wrote:
>
> Amazing project, Steve! Keep hard working and have much luck!
> Best wishes to Martina and kids!
> Donka
>
>     On Monday, January 23, 2017 5:38 AM, Lawrence London <
> lfljvenaura at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > 13 acres...river alluvial...just spent 60 hrs on the 14 ton digger doing
> > flood retention ponds and swales and flloodways. I'm presently looking
> at a
> >
>
> That is a great plan. I hope it all goes together well. I did something
> similar with a large farm tractor and many implements and a medium sized
> skid loader: as you said, retention ponds (3), swales/dams/berms/terraces
> and the floodways directed at the ponds; excess rainfall carefully
> channeled into the ponds from wherever on the property.it originates. I
> will post some pix to illustrate the functionality of the overall system.
>
> small flood channel that meanders through the property to design a
> > temperate zone chanampa...or real aquaponic system.
> >
>
> Will there be eels in the chinampas? There is a big market for eels in
> Japan.
>
> I would really like to do this also but my soil ios too permeable to hold
> water long enough to support the garden component. I am lucky to keep water
> in the retention ponds.
>
>
> > Put a few Sth Devon
> > Bulls on to process pasture, manure one  paddock, chooks have started
> White
> > Orpingtons. Have ordered a range of trees for next planting season
> > including 800 apple pear plum and 200 avocado.
> >
>
> Wonderful!
>
>
> > My 4 yr old daughter
> > conducted her first inpromtu garden tour the other day for a visitor and
> > with her 2 yr old sister put together a salad for lunch consisting of 40
> > different species.
> >
>
> Now that is living right. Proper salads, the true staff of life! I plan on
> a big salad and greens garden this coming Spring
> and hopefully plenty of corn, tomatoes, peppers and onions.
>
>
> > Also in the middle of converting an old cow shed /
> > shearing shed into a dwelling..all off grid....a shed it will remain for
> > authorities to dwell on...so its all go ...just printed off an AO size
> >
>
> Right.
>
>
> > survey plan to draw up the design for presentation purposes.
> >
>
> I would like to see that.
>
>
> > We will be
> > reincarnating the original Permaculture Institute of NZ soon and may seek
> > collaboration with Larry n Scott et al for a branch of their Academy.
> But,
> > there is only 36 hrs in a day....all good..Steve Hart
> >
>
> That must be done and the sooner the better. You have my recommendation.
>
> Onward!
>
> LL
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