[permaculture] Permaculture Economics..a NEW SCHOOL ?

Steve Hart stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com
Tue Feb 14 15:44:43 EST 2017


Another good book

Herman Daly & Joshua Farley
"Ecological Economics principles and applicxations"

Steve Hart

On 15 February 2017 at 09:34, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Another book which I'm sure many are aware of by
>
> Herman Daly & John Cobb Jr
>
> "For the Common Good"
>
> www.scottlondon.com/reviews/daly.html
>
> Steve Hart
>
> On 13 February 2017 at 09:01, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Andy and Carlos.
>>
>> Andy are you presenting anything at this conference ? It would be good to
>> see what rationale is evolving for any ethic and philosophy for this New
>> School of Economics. I have had chat with a number of different thoughts
>> with the basis always folding back to realising an ethic and philosophy
>> from preservation and organic growth that builds ecosystems and build
>> resources rather than consuming. So its a complete reversal of the paradigm
>> we are all locked into on a ferris wheel that we can not jump off..unless
>> we develop a gradual pathway of initiatives and networks. There are many
>> good models already emerging throughout our networks.
>>
>> Andy..perhaps some funding needs to be found to employ someone to put
>> together a research of all models and design a linkage to them. Maybe there
>> is someone like Donka who is about to finish her PhD..someone preparing to
>> do a Masters or PhD who may like to pull these threads together.
>>
>> There are schools emerging in Denmark and Ireland too. Hal can you
>> comment on theses.
>>
>> Ross can you comment on the many small models evolving you have seen.
>>
>> Social Permaculture is emerging stronger and stronger which will evolve
>> many such models. These are the practical strategies down the line of the
>> stream of Planning. Cart before the horse perhaps. It may be of benefit to
>> evolve the extending thinking by working through an Ethic and Philosophy to
>> Principles and Policy then encapsulate these strategies and models as
>> examples of such EPPP.
>>
>> The Ferris Wheel has been very well designed since the 14th C. It locks
>> in every stream of society including the legal system, which is different
>> from law. It locks in much of the mainstream education and science,
>> engineering and communication/media as well off course all bureaucrazy.
>>
>> To understand this is the beginning, where we need to start, it is not
>> about any conspiracy or dooms day ..it is a learning curve very valuable to
>> be able to begin a journey on designing a new economy. It is about
>> understanding where has our existing paradigm come from ? who designed it ?
>> how ? and why ? for what purpose and what gain ? Simply, the entire global
>> and legal system which controls every aspect of society has been designed
>> and maintained by the Rothschilds and their Bank of England. Sure there are
>> snippets of paranoia, but any smart person who can join the dots will
>> figure it out quickly.....Steve Hart
>>
>>
>>
>> As mentioned in an earlier email
>>
>> On 11 February 2017 at 00:29, Alessandro Ardovini <alexardov at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome, Andy! I would love to hear about that!
>>>
>>> 2017-02-10 11:12 GMT+01:00 Andy Goldring <andyg at permaculture.org.uk>:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I am going to this conference and I'm in touch with the organisers -
>>>> they are keen to for permaculture to be there. We have promoted the survey
>>>> about the manifesto in the network.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> On 09/02/17 19:39, Steve Hart wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys..here is another initiative that could be linked in some way
>>>>
>>>> http://neweconomyforum.org/manifesto/
>>>>
>>>> Steve Hart
>>>>
>>>> On 9 February 2017 at 10:15, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tim..which idea do you support ? The development formation of a new
>>>>> school ?  I do too, absolutely !
>>>>>
>>>>> However fraught with dangers  of diversion and infiltration it may be,
>>>>> we still need to develop it. As a piece of black humour we could have the
>>>>> very first meeting / conference at a facility in Switzerland called Mont
>>>>> Pelerin. I assume you are familiar with The Mont Pelerin Society" its
>>>>> beginning, evolution  and history ?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.montpelerin.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_P%C3%A8lerin
>>>>>
>>>>> Or we could invite it in association with IPC13 in India,
>>>>> http://ipcindia2017.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Hear from you soon to further develop the idea
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Hart
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3 February 2017 at 20:16, Tim <t.shanks at ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like a very interesting idea which I fully support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25/01/2017 03:11, Steve Hart wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Donny..an interesting paper which opens the exploration. Perhaps
>>>>>> the question goes back to the development of the world of Economics.
>>>>>> Developed from Rothschilds circa 14th century, pursuit of building the
>>>>>> industry of usery and slavery to maintain usery. Today the entire world are
>>>>>> still slaves to this economic policy which controls every aspect of todays
>>>>>>  world.  We have been conditioned to it through generations. Perhaps 1%
>>>>>> live as the kings of the slavery. It has been specifically designed this
>>>>>> way for that purpose. The only way we will evolve is to redesign the usery
>>>>>> / consumerist / growth / entropic paradigm or policy. It must change to
>>>>>> conservation / fair share / ecological sustainability. Perhaps your "New
>>>>>> Agriculturalists" sub-consciously seek the new paradigm and are very slowly
>>>>>> emerging into it. There is also a warm-fuzzy growth in "Commons" and
>>>>>> "Peasantry" perhaps through similar sub-conscious fervour. None of which
>>>>>> comes from a planned or designed framework or school. This book is one of a
>>>>>> new pattern that begins working in this area
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Growing A New Economy: Beyond Crisis Capitalism & Environmental
>>>>>> Destruction
>>>>>> ​"​
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roar Bjonnes and Caroline Hargreaves
>>>>>>
>>>>>> InnerWorld Publications San Germán, Puerto Rico
>>>>>> www.innerworldpublications.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But we still have a long way to go. Perhaps we could open a new
>>>>>> school to evolve it further I'm sure Tim Shanks would support such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep me posted on your next layer of papers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warm regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve Hart
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 January 2017 at 11:35, DONKA RADEVA <donnybg at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm just at the end, have less than 2 weeks to deliver it in my
>>>>>>> department and too much work now.
>>>>>>> I'm ready with the research results and about to publish some of
>>>>>>> them but still in Bulgarian language. Later on will do this in English.
>>>>>>> I'm attaching one of my articles /in collaboration/ in English,
>>>>>>> unpublished yet, and still on the theoretical part of the research and it
>>>>>>> is around looking for an economic thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will let you know more in details later on, when less hectic around
>>>>>>> all of these. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Donka
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:22 AM, Steve Hart <
>>>>>>> stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Donny..howz the PhD going ? what stage are you at ? perhaps time
>>>>>>> to release a few snippets on this network. Do not hesitate to ask for any
>>>>>>> material through this network. Did you find any models you could use ? And
>>>>>>> we await your arrival in NZ..Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 January 2017 at 10:57, DONKA RADEVA via permaculture <
>>>>>>> permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Amazing project, Steve! Keep hard working and have much luck!
>>>>>>> Best wishes to Martina and kids!
>>>>>>> Donka
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On Monday, January 23, 2017 5:38 AM, Lawrence London <
>>>>>>> lfljvenaura at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Steve Hart <
>>>>>>> stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > 13 acres...river alluvial...just spent 60 hrs on the 14 ton digger
>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>> > flood retention ponds and swales and flloodways. I'm presently
>>>>>>> looking at a
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is a great plan. I hope it all goes together well. I did
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> similar with a large farm tractor and many implements and a medium
>>>>>>> sized
>>>>>>> skid loader: as you said, retention ponds (3),
>>>>>>> swales/dams/berms/terraces
>>>>>>> and the floodways directed at the ponds; excess rainfall carefully
>>>>>>> channeled into the ponds from wherever on the property.it
>>>>>>> originates. I
>>>>>>> will post some pix to illustrate the functionality of the overall
>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> small flood channel that meanders through the property to design a
>>>>>>> > temperate zone chanampa...or real aquaponic system.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will there be eels in the chinampas? There is a big market for eels
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Japan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would really like to do this also but my soil ios too permeable to
>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>> water long enough to support the garden component. I am lucky to
>>>>>>> keep water
>>>>>>> in the retention ponds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Put a few Sth Devon
>>>>>>> > Bulls on to process pasture, manure one  paddock, chooks have
>>>>>>> started White
>>>>>>> > Orpingtons. Have ordered a range of trees for next planting season
>>>>>>> > including 800 apple pear plum and 200 avocado.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wonderful!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > My 4 yr old daughter
>>>>>>> > conducted her first inpromtu garden tour the other day for a
>>>>>>> visitor and
>>>>>>> > with her 2 yr old sister put together a salad for lunch consisting
>>>>>>> of 40
>>>>>>> > different species.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now that is living right. Proper salads, the true staff of life! I
>>>>>>> plan on
>>>>>>> a big salad and greens garden this coming Spring
>>>>>>> and hopefully plenty of corn, tomatoes, peppers and onions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Also in the middle of converting an old cow shed /
>>>>>>> > shearing shed into a dwelling..all off grid....a shed it will
>>>>>>> remain for
>>>>>>> > authorities to dwell on...so its all go ...just printed off an AO
>>>>>>> size
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > survey plan to draw up the design for presentation purposes.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to see that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > We will be
>>>>>>> > reincarnating the original Permaculture Institute of NZ soon and
>>>>>>> may seek
>>>>>>> > collaboration with Larry n Scott et al for a branch of their
>>>>>>> Academy. But,
>>>>>>> > there is only 36 hrs in a day....all good..Steve Hart
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That must be done and the sooner the better. You have my
>>>>>>> recommendation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Onward!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> lfljvenaura at gmail.com
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kia ora Ehoa
>>>>>
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>>>>> *Ecology Architect*
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>>>>> and Systems Ecology.​*
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>> --
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>>
>> [image: Picture]
>> *Steve Hart*
>> *Ecology Architect*
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>> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
>> and Systems Ecology.​*
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>
>
> --
> Kia ora Ehoa
>
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> *Steve Hart*
> *Ecology Architect*
> *Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
> and Systems Ecology.​*
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-- 
Kia ora Ehoa

[image: Picture]
*Steve Hart*
*Ecology Architect*
*Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
and Systems Ecology.​*
Skype: tipenemanawa
Phone: +64 220 75 62 11

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