[permaculture] Permaculture Economics..a NEW SCHOOL ?

Steve Hart stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com
Tue Feb 14 15:34:05 EST 2017


Another book which I'm sure many are aware of by

Herman Daly & John Cobb Jr

"For the Common Good"

www.scottlondon.com/reviews/daly.html

Steve Hart

On 13 February 2017 at 09:01, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Andy and Carlos.
>
> Andy are you presenting anything at this conference ? It would be good to
> see what rationale is evolving for any ethic and philosophy for this New
> School of Economics. I have had chat with a number of different thoughts
> with the basis always folding back to realising an ethic and philosophy
> from preservation and organic growth that builds ecosystems and build
> resources rather than consuming. So its a complete reversal of the paradigm
> we are all locked into on a ferris wheel that we can not jump off..unless
> we develop a gradual pathway of initiatives and networks. There are many
> good models already emerging throughout our networks.
>
> Andy..perhaps some funding needs to be found to employ someone to put
> together a research of all models and design a linkage to them. Maybe there
> is someone like Donka who is about to finish her PhD..someone preparing to
> do a Masters or PhD who may like to pull these threads together.
>
> There are schools emerging in Denmark and Ireland too. Hal can you comment
> on theses.
>
> Ross can you comment on the many small models evolving you have seen.
>
> Social Permaculture is emerging stronger and stronger which will evolve
> many such models. These are the practical strategies down the line of the
> stream of Planning. Cart before the horse perhaps. It may be of benefit to
> evolve the extending thinking by working through an Ethic and Philosophy to
> Principles and Policy then encapsulate these strategies and models as
> examples of such EPPP.
>
> The Ferris Wheel has been very well designed since the 14th C. It locks in
> every stream of society including the legal system, which is different from
> law. It locks in much of the mainstream education and science, engineering
> and communication/media as well off course all bureaucrazy.
>
> To understand this is the beginning, where we need to start, it is not
> about any conspiracy or dooms day ..it is a learning curve very valuable to
> be able to begin a journey on designing a new economy. It is about
> understanding where has our existing paradigm come from ? who designed it ?
> how ? and why ? for what purpose and what gain ? Simply, the entire global
> and legal system which controls every aspect of society has been designed
> and maintained by the Rothschilds and their Bank of England. Sure there are
> snippets of paranoia, but any smart person who can join the dots will
> figure it out quickly.....Steve Hart
>
>
>
> As mentioned in an earlier email
>
> On 11 February 2017 at 00:29, Alessandro Ardovini <alexardov at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Awesome, Andy! I would love to hear about that!
>>
>> 2017-02-10 11:12 GMT+01:00 Andy Goldring <andyg at permaculture.org.uk>:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am going to this conference and I'm in touch with the organisers -
>>> they are keen to for permaculture to be there. We have promoted the survey
>>> about the manifesto in the network.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> On 09/02/17 19:39, Steve Hart wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys..here is another initiative that could be linked in some way
>>>
>>> http://neweconomyforum.org/manifesto/
>>>
>>> Steve Hart
>>>
>>> On 9 February 2017 at 10:15, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tim..which idea do you support ? The development formation of a new
>>>> school ?  I do too, absolutely !
>>>>
>>>> However fraught with dangers  of diversion and infiltration it may be,
>>>> we still need to develop it. As a piece of black humour we could have the
>>>> very first meeting / conference at a facility in Switzerland called Mont
>>>> Pelerin. I assume you are familiar with The Mont Pelerin Society" its
>>>> beginning, evolution  and history ?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.montpelerin.org/
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_P%C3%A8lerin
>>>>
>>>> Or we could invite it in association with IPC13 in India,
>>>> http://ipcindia2017.org/
>>>>
>>>> Hear from you soon to further develop the idea
>>>>
>>>> Steve Hart
>>>>
>>>> On 3 February 2017 at 20:16, Tim <t.shanks at ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like a very interesting idea which I fully support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25/01/2017 03:11, Steve Hart wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Donny..an interesting paper which opens the exploration. Perhaps
>>>>> the question goes back to the development of the world of Economics.
>>>>> Developed from Rothschilds circa 14th century, pursuit of building the
>>>>> industry of usery and slavery to maintain usery. Today the entire world are
>>>>> still slaves to this economic policy which controls every aspect of todays
>>>>>  world.  We have been conditioned to it through generations. Perhaps 1%
>>>>> live as the kings of the slavery. It has been specifically designed this
>>>>> way for that purpose. The only way we will evolve is to redesign the usery
>>>>> / consumerist / growth / entropic paradigm or policy. It must change to
>>>>> conservation / fair share / ecological sustainability. Perhaps your "New
>>>>> Agriculturalists" sub-consciously seek the new paradigm and are very slowly
>>>>> emerging into it. There is also a warm-fuzzy growth in "Commons" and
>>>>> "Peasantry" perhaps through similar sub-conscious fervour. None of which
>>>>> comes from a planned or designed framework or school. This book is one of a
>>>>> new pattern that begins working in this area
>>>>>
>>>>> "Growing A New Economy: Beyond Crisis Capitalism & Environmental
>>>>> Destruction
>>>>> ​"​
>>>>>
>>>>> Roar Bjonnes and Caroline Hargreaves
>>>>>
>>>>> InnerWorld Publications San Germán, Puerto Rico
>>>>> www.innerworldpublications.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But we still have a long way to go. Perhaps we could open a new school
>>>>> to evolve it further I'm sure Tim Shanks would support such.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep me posted on your next layer of papers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Warm regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Hart
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 January 2017 at 11:35, DONKA RADEVA <donnybg at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just at the end, have less than 2 weeks to deliver it in my
>>>>>> department and too much work now.
>>>>>> I'm ready with the research results and about to publish some of them
>>>>>> but still in Bulgarian language. Later on will do this in English.
>>>>>> I'm attaching one of my articles /in collaboration/ in English,
>>>>>> unpublished yet, and still on the theoretical part of the research and it
>>>>>> is around looking for an economic thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will let you know more in details later on, when less hectic around
>>>>>> all of these. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Donka
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:22 AM, Steve Hart <
>>>>>> stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Donny..howz the PhD going ? what stage are you at ? perhaps time
>>>>>> to release a few snippets on this network. Do not hesitate to ask for any
>>>>>> material through this network. Did you find any models you could use ? And
>>>>>> we await your arrival in NZ..Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 January 2017 at 10:57, DONKA RADEVA via permaculture <
>>>>>> permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amazing project, Steve! Keep hard working and have much luck!
>>>>>> Best wishes to Martina and kids!
>>>>>> Donka
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On Monday, January 23, 2017 5:38 AM, Lawrence London <
>>>>>> lfljvenaura at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Steve Hart <
>>>>>> stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > 13 acres...river alluvial...just spent 60 hrs on the 14 ton digger
>>>>>> doing
>>>>>> > flood retention ponds and swales and flloodways. I'm presently
>>>>>> looking at a
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is a great plan. I hope it all goes together well. I did
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> similar with a large farm tractor and many implements and a medium
>>>>>> sized
>>>>>> skid loader: as you said, retention ponds (3),
>>>>>> swales/dams/berms/terraces
>>>>>> and the floodways directed at the ponds; excess rainfall carefully
>>>>>> channeled into the ponds from wherever on the property.it
>>>>>> originates. I
>>>>>> will post some pix to illustrate the functionality of the overall
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> small flood channel that meanders through the property to design a
>>>>>> > temperate zone chanampa...or real aquaponic system.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will there be eels in the chinampas? There is a big market for eels in
>>>>>> Japan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would really like to do this also but my soil ios too permeable to
>>>>>> hold
>>>>>> water long enough to support the garden component. I am lucky to keep
>>>>>> water
>>>>>> in the retention ponds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Put a few Sth Devon
>>>>>> > Bulls on to process pasture, manure one  paddock, chooks have
>>>>>> started White
>>>>>> > Orpingtons. Have ordered a range of trees for next planting season
>>>>>> > including 800 apple pear plum and 200 avocado.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wonderful!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > My 4 yr old daughter
>>>>>> > conducted her first inpromtu garden tour the other day for a
>>>>>> visitor and
>>>>>> > with her 2 yr old sister put together a salad for lunch consisting
>>>>>> of 40
>>>>>> > different species.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that is living right. Proper salads, the true staff of life! I
>>>>>> plan on
>>>>>> a big salad and greens garden this coming Spring
>>>>>> and hopefully plenty of corn, tomatoes, peppers and onions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Also in the middle of converting an old cow shed /
>>>>>> > shearing shed into a dwelling..all off grid....a shed it will
>>>>>> remain for
>>>>>> > authorities to dwell on...so its all go ...just printed off an AO
>>>>>> size
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > survey plan to draw up the design for presentation purposes.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to see that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > We will be
>>>>>> > reincarnating the original Permaculture Institute of NZ soon and
>>>>>> may seek
>>>>>> > collaboration with Larry n Scott et al for a branch of their
>>>>>> Academy. But,
>>>>>> > there is only 36 hrs in a day....all good..Steve Hart
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That must be done and the sooner the better. You have my
>>>>>> recommendation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Onward!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> lfljvenaura at gmail.com
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>>>>>> *Steve Hart*
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>>>>>> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kia ora Ehoa
>>>>>
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>>>>> *Steve Hart*
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>>>>> and Systems Ecology.​*
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> *Steve Hart*
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>>>> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
>>>> and Systems Ecology.​*
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>>>
>>>
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>
>
> --
> Kia ora Ehoa
>
> [image: Picture]
> *Steve Hart*
> *Ecology Architect*
> *Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
> and Systems Ecology.​*
> Skype: tipenemanawa
> Phone: +64 220 75 62 11
>
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> www.permaculturepartnerships.com
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-- 
Kia ora Ehoa

[image: Picture]
*Steve Hart*
*Ecology Architect*
*Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
and Systems Ecology.​*
Skype: tipenemanawa
Phone: +64 220 75 62 11

Permaculture Global Design:
www.permacultureglobaldesign.org

The Permaculture International College
www.permaculturecollege.eu
https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart

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