[permaculture] Permaculture Economics..a NEW SCHOOL ?

Steve Hart stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com
Sun Feb 12 16:01:45 EST 2017


Perhaps ...a start in realising the history we are part of an which evolved
the economic paradigm we are wanting to shift begins in this writting

http://www.threeworldwars.com/protocols.htm

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"

Other works to illuminate this paradigm are difficult to find and much has
been written on many varied subjects in the whole subject. But, as
mentioned, it helps us move forward if we know where we have come from why
and how.......Steve Hart

On 13 February 2017 at 09:01, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Andy and Carlos.
>
> Andy are you presenting anything at this conference ? It would be good to
> see what rationale is evolving for any ethic and philosophy for this New
> School of Economics. I have had chat with a number of different thoughts
> with the basis always folding back to realising an ethic and philosophy
> from preservation and organic growth that builds ecosystems and build
> resources rather than consuming. So its a complete reversal of the paradigm
> we are all locked into on a ferris wheel that we can not jump off..unless
> we develop a gradual pathway of initiatives and networks. There are many
> good models already emerging throughout our networks.
>
> Andy..perhaps some funding needs to be found to employ someone to put
> together a research of all models and design a linkage to them. Maybe there
> is someone like Donka who is about to finish her PhD..someone preparing to
> do a Masters or PhD who may like to pull these threads together.
>
> There are schools emerging in Denmark and Ireland too. Hal can you comment
> on theses.
>
> Ross can you comment on the many small models evolving you have seen.
>
> Social Permaculture is emerging stronger and stronger which will evolve
> many such models. These are the practical strategies down the line of the
> stream of Planning. Cart before the horse perhaps. It may be of benefit to
> evolve the extending thinking by working through an Ethic and Philosophy to
> Principles and Policy then encapsulate these strategies and models as
> examples of such EPPP.
>
> The Ferris Wheel has been very well designed since the 14th C. It locks in
> every stream of society including the legal system, which is different from
> law. It locks in much of the mainstream education and science, engineering
> and communication/media as well off course all bureaucrazy.
>
> To understand this is the beginning, where we need to start, it is not
> about any conspiracy or dooms day ..it is a learning curve very valuable to
> be able to begin a journey on designing a new economy. It is about
> understanding where has our existing paradigm come from ? who designed it ?
> how ? and why ? for what purpose and what gain ? Simply, the entire global
> and legal system which controls every aspect of society has been designed
> and maintained by the Rothschilds and their Bank of England. Sure there are
> snippets of paranoia, but any smart person who can join the dots will
> figure it out quickly.....Steve Hart
>
>
>
> As mentioned in an earlier email
>
> On 11 February 2017 at 00:29, Alessandro Ardovini <alexardov at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Awesome, Andy! I would love to hear about that!
>>
>> 2017-02-10 11:12 GMT+01:00 Andy Goldring <andyg at permaculture.org.uk>:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am going to this conference and I'm in touch with the organisers -
>>> they are keen to for permaculture to be there. We have promoted the survey
>>> about the manifesto in the network.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> On 09/02/17 19:39, Steve Hart wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys..here is another initiative that could be linked in some way
>>>
>>> http://neweconomyforum.org/manifesto/
>>>
>>> Steve Hart
>>>
>>> On 9 February 2017 at 10:15, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tim..which idea do you support ? The development formation of a new
>>>> school ?  I do too, absolutely !
>>>>
>>>> However fraught with dangers  of diversion and infiltration it may be,
>>>> we still need to develop it. As a piece of black humour we could have the
>>>> very first meeting / conference at a facility in Switzerland called Mont
>>>> Pelerin. I assume you are familiar with The Mont Pelerin Society" its
>>>> beginning, evolution  and history ?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.montpelerin.org/
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_P%C3%A8lerin
>>>>
>>>> Or we could invite it in association with IPC13 in India,
>>>> http://ipcindia2017.org/
>>>>
>>>> Hear from you soon to further develop the idea
>>>>
>>>> Steve Hart
>>>>
>>>> On 3 February 2017 at 20:16, Tim <t.shanks at ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like a very interesting idea which I fully support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25/01/2017 03:11, Steve Hart wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Donny..an interesting paper which opens the exploration. Perhaps
>>>>> the question goes back to the development of the world of Economics.
>>>>> Developed from Rothschilds circa 14th century, pursuit of building the
>>>>> industry of usery and slavery to maintain usery. Today the entire world are
>>>>> still slaves to this economic policy which controls every aspect of todays
>>>>>  world.  We have been conditioned to it through generations. Perhaps 1%
>>>>> live as the kings of the slavery. It has been specifically designed this
>>>>> way for that purpose. The only way we will evolve is to redesign the usery
>>>>> / consumerist / growth / entropic paradigm or policy. It must change to
>>>>> conservation / fair share / ecological sustainability. Perhaps your "New
>>>>> Agriculturalists" sub-consciously seek the new paradigm and are very slowly
>>>>> emerging into it. There is also a warm-fuzzy growth in "Commons" and
>>>>> "Peasantry" perhaps through similar sub-conscious fervour. None of which
>>>>> comes from a planned or designed framework or school. This book is one of a
>>>>> new pattern that begins working in this area
>>>>>
>>>>> "Growing A New Economy: Beyond Crisis Capitalism & Environmental
>>>>> Destruction
>>>>> ​"​
>>>>>
>>>>> Roar Bjonnes and Caroline Hargreaves
>>>>>
>>>>> InnerWorld Publications San Germán, Puerto Rico
>>>>> www.innerworldpublications.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But we still have a long way to go. Perhaps we could open a new school
>>>>> to evolve it further I'm sure Tim Shanks would support such.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep me posted on your next layer of papers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Warm regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Hart
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 January 2017 at 11:35, DONKA RADEVA <donnybg at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just at the end, have less than 2 weeks to deliver it in my
>>>>>> department and too much work now.
>>>>>> I'm ready with the research results and about to publish some of them
>>>>>> but still in Bulgarian language. Later on will do this in English.
>>>>>> I'm attaching one of my articles /in collaboration/ in English,
>>>>>> unpublished yet, and still on the theoretical part of the research and it
>>>>>> is around looking for an economic thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will let you know more in details later on, when less hectic around
>>>>>> all of these. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Donka
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:22 AM, Steve Hart <
>>>>>> stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Donny..howz the PhD going ? what stage are you at ? perhaps time
>>>>>> to release a few snippets on this network. Do not hesitate to ask for any
>>>>>> material through this network. Did you find any models you could use ? And
>>>>>> we await your arrival in NZ..Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 January 2017 at 10:57, DONKA RADEVA via permaculture <
>>>>>> permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amazing project, Steve! Keep hard working and have much luck!
>>>>>> Best wishes to Martina and kids!
>>>>>> Donka
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On Monday, January 23, 2017 5:38 AM, Lawrence London <
>>>>>> lfljvenaura at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Steve Hart <
>>>>>> stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > 13 acres...river alluvial...just spent 60 hrs on the 14 ton digger
>>>>>> doing
>>>>>> > flood retention ponds and swales and flloodways. I'm presently
>>>>>> looking at a
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is a great plan. I hope it all goes together well. I did
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> similar with a large farm tractor and many implements and a medium
>>>>>> sized
>>>>>> skid loader: as you said, retention ponds (3),
>>>>>> swales/dams/berms/terraces
>>>>>> and the floodways directed at the ponds; excess rainfall carefully
>>>>>> channeled into the ponds from wherever on the property.it
>>>>>> originates. I
>>>>>> will post some pix to illustrate the functionality of the overall
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> small flood channel that meanders through the property to design a
>>>>>> > temperate zone chanampa...or real aquaponic system.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will there be eels in the chinampas? There is a big market for eels in
>>>>>> Japan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would really like to do this also but my soil ios too permeable to
>>>>>> hold
>>>>>> water long enough to support the garden component. I am lucky to keep
>>>>>> water
>>>>>> in the retention ponds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Put a few Sth Devon
>>>>>> > Bulls on to process pasture, manure one  paddock, chooks have
>>>>>> started White
>>>>>> > Orpingtons. Have ordered a range of trees for next planting season
>>>>>> > including 800 apple pear plum and 200 avocado.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wonderful!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > My 4 yr old daughter
>>>>>> > conducted her first inpromtu garden tour the other day for a
>>>>>> visitor and
>>>>>> > with her 2 yr old sister put together a salad for lunch consisting
>>>>>> of 40
>>>>>> > different species.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that is living right. Proper salads, the true staff of life! I
>>>>>> plan on
>>>>>> a big salad and greens garden this coming Spring
>>>>>> and hopefully plenty of corn, tomatoes, peppers and onions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Also in the middle of converting an old cow shed /
>>>>>> > shearing shed into a dwelling..all off grid....a shed it will
>>>>>> remain for
>>>>>> > authorities to dwell on...so its all go ...just printed off an AO
>>>>>> size
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > survey plan to draw up the design for presentation purposes.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to see that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > We will be
>>>>>> > reincarnating the original Permaculture Institute of NZ soon and
>>>>>> may seek
>>>>>> > collaboration with Larry n Scott et al for a branch of their
>>>>>> Academy. But,
>>>>>> > there is only 36 hrs in a day....all good..Steve Hart
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That must be done and the sooner the better. You have my
>>>>>> recommendation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Onward!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> lfljvenaura at gmail.com
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>>>>>> [image: Picture]
>>>>>> *Steve Hart*
>>>>>> *Ecology Architect*
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>>>>>> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kia ora Ehoa
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Picture]
>>>>> *Steve Hart*
>>>>> *Ecology Architect*
>>>>> *Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
>>>>> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
>>>>> and Systems Ecology.​*
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Kia ora Ehoa
>>>>
>>>> [image: Picture]
>>>> *Steve Hart*
>>>> *Ecology Architect*
>>>> *Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
>>>> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
>>>> and Systems Ecology.​*
>>>> Skype: tipenemanawa
>>>> Phone: +64 220 75 62 11
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>
>
> --
> Kia ora Ehoa
>
> [image: Picture]
> *Steve Hart*
> *Ecology Architect*
> *Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
> and Systems Ecology.​*
> Skype: tipenemanawa
> Phone: +64 220 75 62 11
>
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> https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart
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> GAPPS The Global Alliance for Permaculture Partnerships and Solutions.
> www.permaculturepartnerships.com
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>


-- 
Kia ora Ehoa

[image: Picture]
*Steve Hart*
*Ecology Architect*
*Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
and Systems Ecology.​*
Skype: tipenemanawa
Phone: +64 220 75 62 11

Permaculture Global Design:
www.permacultureglobaldesign.org

The Permaculture International College
www.permaculturecollege.eu
https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart

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