[permaculture] Is This Aquaponics Then?

christopher nesbitt christopher.nesbitt at mmrfbz.org
Fri Jun 5 10:18:35 EDT 2015


Steve has done this before, this rigid, inflexible railing up agains the “weakening” of permaculture”, on the same subject, and Toby, twice, has answered it so completely, educating him on the subject so totally, that I am not going to bother to reply, other than to say that there is a place for aquaponics in a field as broad as permaculture. 

As with most things in permaculture, if we consider the variables, aquaponics has a place, depending on the problems you seek to address. Adhering to a rigid orthodoxy, one that is under informed, that refuses to see that, in many places, aquaponics has a very valid and very real set of solutions, seems to me, to sort of miss the point of a design science where most answers to most questions should be prefaced with: “…it depends…” 

If you don’t like aquaponics, don’t practice it. Period. Stop attacking solutions to problems that are not of where you live. Many people are using aquaponics to provide solutions to problems unique to their location. And, please, stop invoking your past association with Bill Mollison to add weight to your opinion. It devalues what you say by making you look like you need the added persona of Bill, himself, to bolster your weak argument. 
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> On Jun 3, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Ben Martin Horst <ben.martinhorst at gmail.com <mailto:ben.martinhorst at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve,
> To me it is problematic to dismiss techniques like aquaponics as "not
> connected to the earth." While I have a vague sense as to what you mean,
> one could easily make the same statement about all agricultural techniques.
> It isn't a precise enough criticism for me.
> 
> Further, I have to admit that I cringe to hear esoteric terms like "etheric
> and astral energies" thrown about as if they are factual categories. While
> I firmly believe that there are aspects of our universe that cannot be
> explained within a rationalist framework, I simply do not see how it
> furthers discussions about permacultural practice to throw around New Age
> terms. It makes no more sense to me than it would if someone were to talk
> about the intervention of saints and angels in permaculture practice. I
> firmly support anybody's right to their own religious beliefs, but to throw
> faith-based terminology around as something that contributes meaningfully
> to broader permaculture discourse seems misguided.
> 
> -Ben
> On May 31, 2015 10:16 PM, "Steve Hart" <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com <mailto:stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jason..great to hear spring has been goood. My argument all along with
>> aquaponics and hydroponics similarly is that it is still an artificial
>> system if it is not connected directly to the earth. This direct connection
>> is critical for us to receive many if not all the nutrients our body needs
>> for good if not optimal health. It is within dimensions greater than just
>> simple food elements of vitamins sugars and minerals it is in micro
>> nutrients etheric and astral energies as well as electromagnetic values. If
>> the body is missing out on these which are most often in micro measurement
>> our health falters.
>> 
>> This connection with the earth and natural water can not be imitated. This
>> also applies to the multitude of foods that we eat that live in water. eg
>> watercress fish etc etc etc.
>> 
>> Therefore it is also difficult for me to consider any value in any such
>> systems no matter where they are built, desert, damaged land, roof tops
>> wherever, the same applies. Perhaps for the argument we jump on the "Beyond
>> Organic" bandwagon and call this "Beyond Permaculture". But, having done
>> several courses with Mollison and other learned first generation pioneers
>> I'm sure that such view is clearly inherent within Mollison/Holmgren
>> Permaculture so there is no need to go beyond. It is inherent..Steve Hart
>> 
>> On 1 June 2015 at 16:57, Jason Gerhardt <jasongerhardt at gmail.com <mailto:jasongerhardt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I know I'm late to this...been a busy spring, but anyone looking for a
>> good
>>> example of aquaponics can go to the link below. Flourish Farm is one of
>> the
>>> microenterprises within the Growhaus in Denver. It's the most productive
>>> and flourishing aquaponics system I've ever seen. I see it all times of
>> the
>>> year and it totally out produces indoor soil growing, and the neighboring
>>> hydroponics system (not the same as aquaponics). Best of all, their
>>> criteria for using the technique is right...food desert...polluted
>>> soils...repurposed building infrastructure. While it is not a fully
>> closed
>>> loop system, there are some loops being closed, which is the purpose of
>>> closing loops...to provide a means to understand energy flow. The
>>> educational yield of that alone is likely the greatest product of the
>>> system, which makes it an open system, which is infinitely more
>>> regenerative than anything described as closed.
>>> 
>>> http://www.coloradoaquaponics.com/flourish-farms <http://www.coloradoaquaponics.com/flourish-farms>
>>> 
>>> Jason
>>> 
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