[permaculture] American Permaculture Association Standards Board?
christopher.nesbitt at mmrfbz.org
Thu Jul 9 22:34:57 EDT 2015
This is what the "American Permaculture Association Standards Board" is.
I am sharing this in the spirit of openness and transparency, which I
hope Vlad will understand. I am not adding anithing to this other than
what transpired. There were several others who got the same treatment,
who may chose to discuss this, or not.
A few years ago, I was asked to sign a letter stating that I did not
recognize certificates issued by VD and his organization. I got this
March 1st. I took down my statement, and the others did, too, but not
before a lot of discussion. I have been asked by a few people what
happened to the document I signed.
I got an unwelcome email into my on March 1st, with a reference to an ad
posted on google ads search for the name "Maya Mountain Research Farm",
which stated that PDC certificates from my small NGO, Maya Mountain
Research Farm, are not valid. I am sharing it here. I found this is on
a page for"the North American Permaculture Standards Board^(TM)" which
is an entity that seems only to exist to challenge those who question
the validity of his "free PDC".
March 1st, 2015
Name: Vladislav Davidzon
Email: vladislav at davidzon.com <mailto:vladislav at davidzon.com>
Message: Please be advised that the North American Permaculture
Standards Board^(TM) has issued a Consumer Warning Statement regarding
Christopher Nesbitt and the Maya Mountain Research Farm, and we are
launching a paid marketing campaign to promote this statement to your
consumers through Google, Facebook and other marketing avenues which you
Please review the following two links to understand the current scope of
actions taken against you:
To be clear, we are going to spend money to ensure that our warning
statement consistently appears in Google when people search for your
brand; we will also actively seek to target your own Facebook fans with
the same message. As you can see from the screenshot linked above which
was taken earlier today, our warning statement now appears above your
own website in Google. We will very easily outspend you and ensure that
any consumer seeking information about your organization is exposed to
this warning notice.
Please advise me if you wish to take down your own warning statement and
amicably settle this matter by agreeing to mutual recognition and
peaceful co-existence. Be advised that in order to settle this matter
you will also need to convince the other parties who have signed onto
the statement you published to also take down their statements. We are
prepared to wait one week, until March 7, 2015, before escalating this
campaign further - at which time we will aggressively target your own
Facebook fans and distribute this statement to every known
permaculture-related mailing list on Yahoogroups and other places. We
are certain you will not enjoy the immediate and dramatically negative
impact an escalation will bring.
Please get in touch with us no later than end of day on March 7, 2015 or
we will very aggressively escalate our promotion of this Consumer
Warning Statement. We would certainly prefer to amicably settle this.
The text of the warning was:
"CONSUMER WARNING: Statement of Non-Recognition Regarding MAYA MOUNTAIN
RESEARCH FARM and CHRISTOPHER NESBITT
Due to what in our opinion amounts to profoundly unethical business
practices by MAYA MOUNTAIN RESEARCH FARM -- CHRISTOPHER NESBITT, The
North American Permaculture Standards Board^(TM) will not recognize any
Permaculture Design Certificates issued by these parties.
We advise the public to seek training from another provider that engages
in ethical business practices. Be aware that should you choose to
purchase certification from the above-named parties, your certificate
will NOT be recognized and thus may NOT be legitimate.
This statement constitutes the opinion of The North American
Permaculture Standards Board^(TM) and is not intended to be a statement
of fact or any factual claim against any party. We believe that we must
act decisively to preserve the integrity of the marketplace and to
protect the consumer against abusive and/or fraudulent business
practices, thus advancing and protecting the field of permaculture."
So this is why I withdrew my participation
> christopher nesbitt <mailto:christopher.nesbitt at mmrfbz.org>
> July 9, 2015 at 7:01 PMvia Postbox
> Vlad. By himself. No "board". Just Vlad.
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> July 9, 2015 at 6:38 PMvia Postbox
> Do we know who these people are?
> No names, no address, nothing but a contact form.
> Who-is lists this for the ownership which tells us nothing --
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