[permaculture] 37 Million Bees Found Dead In Ontario, Canada After Planting Large GMO Corn Field | Organic Health

Linda Ray lindaray at att.net
Tue Nov 11 22:07:06 EST 2014

Hi Permies :-),

I must respectfully disagree with Alia, and I Thank You Lawrence for posting this article.
Alia, please be aware that the statements that follow in this post are not directed at you personally. They are a product of my own long frustration with what some call "science" these days.

My opinion:

IMO it was a great article, and was chockfull of good leads which can now be tracked down by whomever doesn't mind the legwork. Plus it connected many dots quite well, I thought. It also contained much valuable correlated information which I have not seen anywhere else.

IMHO the problem with the current-day worship of what some call 'science' is, no one will believe it if someone else hasn't done it/proven it/killed 50,000 rats with it/ already. This is not the way to break new ground, because in addition to its horrible and inexcusable inhumanity, to adopt such a philosophy guarantees that one cannot be first to find out anything. 


Many years ago, Science used to be synonymous with progress. Now IMO, 'science' has become more of a stultifying obstruction to progress.

My point is, IMO the definition of "Science" has to change. What we have right now is "Science Without Conscience" and "Science As A Slave To Big Business". 

It is nowhere near the same.



 From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura at gmail.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] 37 Million Bees Found Dead In Ontario, Canada After Planting Large GMO Corn Field | Organic Health

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Alia Tsang <alia at dietrick.org> wrote:

> Sorry, Lawrence, but I disagree that a "poor article is better than no
> article." A poor article gives fodder to the opposing side to point at
> and say "they don't even know science!!" (I am on an entomology
> listserv that does exactly that.) I also don't trust a site that over
> 50% of the screen real estate is advertisements.... a site like that
> is more likely to make an article more alarmist/controversial/etc to
> make it "click bait" so that they make more ad revenue. Hence the
> article title drawing you in with "GMO CORN FIELD," when the real
> issue here (that is potentially overshadowed and made easier to
> dismiss by the mention of GMO's) is neonicotinoids.
> a

You are right if we make up for the lack of permaculture-related news in
the mainstream
by spending more time searching in-depth for what is important to us
elsewhere online or in printed media.
These days few email discussion forums or webforums or social media
resources (except for Reddit and Ello) are going to provide much bounty.

Lawrence F. London
lfljvenaura at gmail.com
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