[permaculture] Advance notes on Permaculture Standards and Principals for NAPC
lfljvenaura at gmail.com
Mon Aug 18 19:34:56 EDT 2014
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:21 PM, <farmer1 at gasperfarm.com> wrote:
> I havn't written this off nor accused him of anything. I can see the value
> of it and look forward to the results. I am just highlighting the downside
> risk to these things and what it may indicate about the state of the
Maybe you could list those downside risks and how they could affect the
just to better understand what you mean. I think we are talking about a
serious effort to define Permaculture and establish standards for all
aspects of permaculture education.
Whether or not it degenerates into empire building is entirely in the
> hands of the participants, I don't know enough of the issues or the people
> involved to know.
Why would you suggest that empire building would be associated with
establishing these guidelines?
> It is just the tendency of such things.
Of what things and by what groups?
> However this comes in the context of people trying to write others out of
> the movement because they disagree with the particulars of their teachings
Establishment of standards does not imply writing those who have different
opinions out of a movement.
It seems to be a process of working together to put together the best
standards possible, for the most benefit to those participating in the
> and your own statement in your reply trying to dictate others expressions
> of permaculture in practice via ludicrous 'freedom to alienate' arguments.
What are you trying to say? What are you referring to as ludicrous?
I mean that the statement below implies that the non-circlers might want to
their preference to eliminate the circling on everyone else, which to me
presumptuous and alienating. He could have used a much better choice of
Talking about freedom and then insulting the non-circlers as being control
freaks is hypocritical,
counterproductive and could reduce attendance at the event.
> I am all about freedom. On the other hand, if
> some of us do want to stand in a circle, or hold hands, or sing songs,
> that is our right and those who prefer not to, do not have the right to
> their preference on us.
> You have a right to your own practice, but you have not right prevent
> others from offending your sensibilities.
Did I say anything like that? You can always vote with your feet.
Not that I'm going to participate in handholding and circling trees; but
> I'm not going to enforce my sensibilities on others either.
I don't think anyone suggested doing that but the statement above unjustly
implied that some
otherwise valued attendees, prejudged, might.
Lawrence F. London
lfljvenaura at gmail.com
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