[permaculture] Advance notes on Permaculture Standards andPrincipals for NAPC

Scott Pittman scott at permaculture.org
Mon Aug 18 13:49:50 EDT 2014


Just to clarify I would like to say that the Permaculture Institute was
formed in 1997 by Bill Mollison, Larry Santoyo, and me.  The reason we
started the Institute was that all of us felt that permaculture has grown
too big for the Permaculture Institute in Australia.  We all felt that an
institute was needed to handle all of the interest and functions necessary
to accommodate the Western Hemisphere.  

We have issued the Permaculture Diploma in both North America and South and
Central America and are helping countries in the South form their own
Institutes.  We were very interested in cooperating with PINA in the early
stages of their development but felt that we had to proceed with our own
program in the interest of time.  We were receiving significant
communication regarding the certification of PDC's and the issuing of
Diplomas.  

PINA made the decision to organize a separate Institute and it has never
been our intentions to compete with or dismiss their efforts.  Just as I
have always felt that there is no "franchise" on permaculture teaching or
designing, I don't feel that there should be a "franchise" on Institutes.
There is plenty to do for all of us and it is only a form of poverty
consciousness that leads to anyone wanting to stake out a claim that
excludes anyone.

As far as I can discern PINA is advocating the same standards as the
Permaculture Institute and I would love to enter into a discussion, once
they have finalized their program, about how we can collaborate and
cooperate.  We currently have several PINA board members to whom we have
issued Diplomas and who me consider as mentors of our Diploma program.

I look forward to this conversation at NAPC to come to some final definition
of "what is a pdc, and what is a diploma".

Please read our section on the process for obtaining the Permaculture
Diploma that is spelled out on our website www.permaculture.org.

Thanks,

Scott Pittman
Permaculture Institute

 
"To change something build a new model that makes the existing model
obsolete"  Buckminster Fuller
-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
Of Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 8:04 AM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Advance notes on Permaculture Standards
andPrincipals for NAPC

hi everyone
 don't forget Jude Hobbs will be presenting another vision/direction of
Permaculture Standards and Principals that she presented at IPC Cuba 
wes


Jude Hobbs Cascadia Permaculture I've received your notes and wanted to
share some information about PINA. As you see in the below description of
the vision statement, organizational summary and goals ... our intention is
to be the North American Permaculture Professional Organization, which
includes a certifying body. Hopefully, within the month we will have
detailed information on the website.

PINA is an organization that is being established on the grass roots level
by people working in the field for over 20 years and are maintaining the
ethics and integrity of Permaculture Principles. As a volunteer board, this
endeavor has taken over 4 years to put together. The focus of PINA is to
offer guidance to Regional Pc HUBS to be the active participants in the
process outlined below.
During the Cuban Convergence I discussed the intention of PINA, which was
very well-received...with over 60 people in attendance. We are a very
transparent organization.

PINA Design
A. The Vision for PINA
A professional organization designed to support students and experienced
practitioners of Permaculture in North America

B. Organizational Summary
As Permaculture becomes widely recognized as the premier strategy for
transforming culture and agriculture in North America, it is time to
establish an egalitarian, peer-reviewed, professional organization for
recognition of achievement and mastery in the field. Embodying the
Permaculture ethics and principles, PINA is an association of Regional Hubs
that work together to grant diplomas, promote Permaculture design courses,
and facilitate networking among Permaculturists across the continent.

C. Goals of PINA
. To raise and maintain professional standards in Permaculture design,
teaching, and other areas of Permaculture work.
. To support Permaculture education through a certifying process that
recognizes achievement and excellence.
. To provide a structure for communication among Permaculture Design Course
(PDC) graduates.
We are planning to upload all revised drafts of the PINA documents on
February 1st: Check out:www.permaculturenorthamerica.com Thank you for your
interest

On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:58 AM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:16 AM, <farmer1 at gasperfarm.com> wrote:
> 
>> Discussions like these give me a sour feeling as I dislike political
>> wrangling. These things seem inevitably to degenerate into protecting
>> turf, excluding people, and creating boundaries around accepted thoughts
>> and practices and all of this serves to squelch innovation.
>> 
>> 
> It looks like you have written off the entirety of Scott's effort to use a
> valuable convergence to create documentation about a definition of
> Permaculture and
> standards for Permaculture education that everyone would benefit from well
> into the future. In addition to that you are unjustly accusing Scott and
> others
> of "protecting turf, excluding people, and creating boundaries around
> accepted thoughts and practices and all of this serves to squelch
> innovation" It seems to me that the permaculture community having a
> properly described, in depth, well written set of standards to use on an
> ongoing basis, year after year, would serve to stimulate innovation.
> 
> 
>> In movement theory this situation is one that happens when a movement is
>> peaking and has or soon will reach the apex of its influence and
>> philosophy. When pioneers and visionaries are driving things folks are
too
>> busy doing and innovating to worry about turf battles and solidifying
>> institutional control to maintain the ground taken.
>> 
> 
> After all that has been said and discussed about the great need for
> intelligent, comprehensive, in-depth Permaculture standards in our time,
> in part because of all the phonies and poseurs attempting to co-opt the
> movement exclusively for personal financial gain, you do not seem to
> think there is a need for that.
> 
> 
>> I'm not saying your efforts are not warranted or needed; I just take it
as
>> a bad omen and this isn't the first such thing I've noticed.
>> 
> 
> Bad omen? What other things have you noticed?
> 
> 
>> Is PC capitalism an oxymoron looks like a worthy discussion.  What is the
>> Price of a PC looks like a ridiculous overreach in grabbing for power.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Michael Pilarski via permaculture <
> permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
> 
>> Some people do not like circles or holding hands or singing.  That is
> okay.
>> It is their right to stand aside and not participate.  I am all about
> freedom. On the other hand, if
>> some of us do want to stand in a circle, or hold hands, or sing songs,
> that is
>> our right and those who prefer not to, do not have the right to enforce
> their
>> preference on us.
> 
>> At NAPC we will warn people before doing any of these things so that
> people can step aside.
> 
> "I am all about freedom." Apparently freedom to alienate those attendees
> who have no interest in hand holding and singing in a circle
> and would rather just get on with work, i.e. creating Standards for
> Permaculture,  by accusing them of trying to enforce their will on others.
> I am sure that those people Toby mentioned will have their decision not to
> attend NAPC enforced by this unfortunate attitude.
> 
> -- 
> Lawrence F. London
> lfljvenaura at gmail.com
> http://www.avantgeared.com
> https://plus.google.com/+Avantgeared
> Skype: lawrence.f.london
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Jude Hobbs Cascadia Permaculture I've received your notes and wanted to
share some information about PINA. As you see in the below description of
the vision statement, o

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