[permaculture] NAPC: Scarcity?
stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com
Wed Aug 13 00:20:09 EDT 2014
Succession...great threads Toby I do enjoy the stimulation you create
quote " --Permaculture in North America is 30 years old. We are no longer
in the pioneer phase of succession.
--The Australians and Europeans are far ahead of N. Am. in organizing,
accrediting, setting standards, fund-raising, getting sponsors, and other
aspects of maturing permaculture, while still remaining true to the ethics
and intentions. We have access to good models and experience."
My view is that most of the Permaculture world is still in the Weed phase
of succession and we have not yet reached the Pioneer stage. Before weeds
of course we have mycellium and fungi, where I was a member of. Although I
was labelled as a weed in a public article once. Many of us may like to be
pioneers but I think we still have a long way to go in this great evolution
we are all part of.
As far as Aust and Europe being ahead, I think its more about the dynamics
of the culture...just different energies on different planes. We are all
learning so much from each other. And, that is why conferences and
convergences of all nature and all bioregions offer that soup, that
amalgam, that kaleidoscope or chameleon to inspire all who attend. The
european conferences very much offer that dynamic as has the recent EPT 7
conf series. How to design in the inclusion is one of our challege, amongst
many more..Steve Hart
On 13 August 2014 03:03, Toby Hemenway <toby at patternliteracy.com> wrote:
> (to reiterate: I'm not just throwing stones at NAPC. I want to see it be a
> successful event that appeals to as broad a slice of the permaculture
> community as possible. Even if it's too late to do much now, if I wait
> until after the event to write my thoughts down about this, I won't
> remember them.)
> On Aug 11, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Koreen Brennan via permaculture <
> permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
> > It is unfortunate that the people who aren't coming because of
> "camping" and "hand holding" didn't do a little more investigation [snip]
> > It appears that these individuals will be missing some great activities
> because they made incorrect assumptions without any effort to actually find
> I can see I'm still not getting my point across. First, I'll tackle the
> smaller issue of camping, and then use it as a lead-in to summarize, as
> succinctly as I can, what I've been trying to communicate from the start.
> I don't think anyone assumed that camping is the only option. But here's
> all the text of the first screen (you know, the one most people stop at)
> from the NAPC "Lodging" page:
> Camping – If you are purchasing a full weekend pass we welcome you to
> build community with us by camping on-site at no extra cost. Campsites are
> rustic with no hook-ups, a short walk from bathrooms and water. Bring your
> own camping supplies.
> Please arrive and set up your campsite before dark.
> A limited number of RV spaces are available for an additional cost.
> If you do not want to camp, there are a number of motels nearby. Please
> see the comprehensive list below.
> Shower Building – The shower building has ten pay stalls that feature
> on-demand hot showers.
> Firewood – Firewood is available for purchase on site. In order to protect
> the natural surroundings from tree-borne disease, we request that no
> off-site wood is brought in.
> Clearly, camping is the primary, expected lodging mode (tons of references
> vs. one "motel,") and the only one supported by the event (having spent 2
> years based in an RV, believe me, it's camping too). If you want a room,
> this says, you're on your own. There is no block of rooms reserved for
> attendees, nor at a discount, as motels are glad to do. (I know, I know,
> what if the rooms didn't get taken . . . . Sigh. )
> The turn-off for some people I've spoken to is that the above, and other
> ways this event is being framed, suggest (as it does to me) that this will
> be another "permies camping in a field" convergence, but farther away.
> To sum up, here are my bullet points:
> --Permaculture in North America is 30 years old. We are no longer in the
> pioneer phase of succession.
> --The Australians and Europeans are far ahead of N. Am. in organizing,
> accrediting, setting standards, fund-raising, getting sponsors, and other
> aspects of maturing permaculture, while still remaining true to the ethics
> and intentions. We have access to good models and experience.
> --In the last few years, we've seen a maturing of N. Am. Pc. It's being
> adopted by policymakers, elected officials, businesses, NGOs, universities,
> K-12 schools. PhD theses and major articles are being written about it.
> These people are not your old-style permies. They also have skill sets that
> we badly need, in terms of organizing, maturing, funding, and accrediting
> permaculture. We have lacked these skills (and I include myself in that).
> --The hope for NAPC is that we will make good progress there on our own
> organizing, maturing process.
> --NAPC is being framed in the same pattern as every other "convergence" of
> the last 30 years. We're applying a pioneer succession strategy to a system
> that is much more mature than that (I'd say, early mid-succession).
> --Billing the first continent-wide gathering of permies as a convergence,
> emphasizing camping as the primary lodging, and talking about how we don't
> have any money is appealing mostly to the same small demographic we have
> appealed to for 30 years. Our community is much bigger than that now, and
> this framing is excluding them. The permaculture-savvy policymakers and
> other leaders I've spoken to (in my region, many officials have taken PDCs)
> have told me, "NAPC doesn't look like my cup of tea." We could have used
> their skills and influence (and their ticket money). Some of the Pc elders
> who are working on influential, visible projects have told me, "This looks
> like every other gathering I've been to, so why go?" We have created an
> early-succession container for a mid-succession event. We've chosen a
> limiting pattern--from where I sit, the same pattern we've been using for
> 30 years. We're bigger than that now.
> So here's hoping that we can make the most of what we have, have a great
> event that moves N. Am. permaculture forward, learn from it, and do even
> more next year.
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