[permaculture] [might be spam] Re: NYT morons at work: Don't Let Your Children Grow Up to Be Farmers - NYTimes.com

farmer1 at gasperfarm.com farmer1 at gasperfarm.com
Tue Aug 12 13:27:01 EDT 2014


Are those farms all really successful or does it just look that way from
the outside? Part of the point in the NYT article was all looks hunky dory
until the farmers get together among themselves and open up about how bad
off they really are.

There are statistics out there on the success rates of CSA's and the
results were not good; and I think they even pre-dated the '08 crash.

Pete

> We have better stories out here. There is a one acre CSA that is making
> money in my home town, selling to restaurants and individuals. The chefs
> love her so much they do a special cook out for her yearly. We have an
> urban farmer team selling via the "locally grown" web site and one farmer
> is making a living, the rest have day jobs, and are making extra income
> out of their backyard garden, not really trying to make a living. A woman
> I just met at the Financial Permaculture event is expanding her operation
> of being a distributor to organic farms in Central Florida. There are
> several successful organic farms south of us and a couple of hydroponic
> farms that are making a great profit, selling to restaurants. So it is far
> from all grim out there. Farmer's markets are not the way most of the
> farmers sell their main produce - it is either CSA, chefs, or high
> wholesale prices via a single distributor. Or LocallyGrown which is a very
> nice system because you only
>  pick what you pre-sell, it is on line, there is one delivery spot, not
> unlike a farmer's market but you pre-sell. Another CSA here just keeps
> expanding - they are up to 20 acres I believe, in an urban area. They
> partnered with a 100 acre orphanage to grow food on their land and they
> give some to the orphanage I believe. They are a huge success story -
> Sweetwater Farms. All organic and they have a successful farmer's market.
> Another man here grows food in other people's front yards and makes a
> living doing it. There is a can do attitude here and maybe because of
> tourism, restaurants are more dependable but it doesn't seem to be a
> problem. Of course, you have to pay attention and be smart about where
> you put your resources. 
>
> I was just told about one guy who makes $60K in four months growing basil
> hydroponically and selling it to restaurants.  I did a research paper on
> urban agriculture a year ago and found some great examples of successful
> urban farms. 
>
> I think the potential is huge and is only going to get better as the old
> system falls apart. Of course, the big farmers get subsidized and we
> dont', which makes for a very unfair system but yet some people are making
> it and doing well. 
>  
>
> Koreen Brennan
> www.growpermaculture.com
> www.northamericanpermaculture.org
>
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> On Monday, August 11, 2014 6:13 PM, Bob Waldrop <bob at bobwaldrop.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> The Oklahoma Food Cooperative has about 100 active producers, of that
> number, 59 of them are growing food or raising poultry or livestock. 
> About half our producers are women owned or women managed operations.
>
> All of the "newer farmers" of our 59 have to have an off-farm job in
> order to support their "farming habit".  The only ones that don't have
> off-farm income are long-term established farmers, many of those are
> parents and their kids as the labor (older kids, often starting their
> own families).
>
> Of course, this isn't necessarily restricted to organic or other forms
> of alternative agriculture.  Years ago, some farmers in southwest
> Oklahoma went in together and bought a bunch of Texas lottery tickets. 
> They won.  One of them was interviewed by an Oklahoma City television
> station, and he was asked what he was going to do with his share of the
> winnings (several hundred thousand dollars).  He said, "Well, I reckon
> I'll just keep on farming until it is all gone."  Hoots of laughter were
> heard around the state, but it was kind of a bitter laughter.
>
> I dated a girl in junior high and later in life was back home for a
> family event and we were catching up and I asked about her, and there
> was a sudden silence around the table.  Finally my grandfather cleared
> his throat and said, "Bobby Max, I forgot you used to date her.  Their
> family was losing their land to a foreclosure, and her mother committed
> suicide."  She laid herself down on the burning trash pile behind their
> house and burned and asphyxiated herself to death.  It was written up in
> the NY Times.  This was during one of the big waves of farmer
> bankruptcies over the last 30 years or so. I forget the numbers but that
> year I believe there were several hundred farmer suicides.
>
> Sales here at the Oklahoma Food Cooperative have been declining slowly
> for two years.  We got started in 2003 and spent the next few years
> running to keep ahead of the demand, and then we topped out in
> 2012-2013, having sold $5.8 million in locally grown and made food and
> non-food items in ten years, and it has been a slow downhill grind since
> then.  The three year drought certainly hasn't helped things at all. 
> We have less vegetables for sale now than we had three years ago, but
> part of that is that when we got started, there were maybe 4 or 5
> farmers markets in Oklahoma County, now there are 30, so there are more
> places for farmers to sell their produce.
>
> One of our more established farmers, who has been with us since our
> first year, called me up last year and asked, "Is it time to give up
> yet?"  My heart was chilled when I heard that from her because she's
> from a multi-generational farm family, all organic operations, certified
> Animal humane operations, certified naturally grown, produces a diverse
> mixture of crops and livestock/poultry for sale and everything is sold
> direct to the public. Plus she makes a line of body care and household
> cleaning products.  She has a traveling grocery store on an old school
> bus with a regular route, and she sells through us.  It's her and her
> family, at least one daughter and a son are involved with the food
> production.  If she is edging towards despair, I'm worried.  She appears
> to have gotten a second wind though and has now opened a store in one of
> our larger regional cities.  So I'm glad about that but I hear similar
> laments from other producers.
>
> Alternative farming as we know it is hard and all the cards are stacked
> against these folks.   At one point I proposed to the producers that the
> Coop start a oklahomafoodbtob.coop to facilitate sales to businesses. 
> Not a single coop producer was interested --
>
> (1) They didn't want to sell what they had at a wholesale price. "That
> just means less money for us."
> (2) They said there was zero chance the restaurants would actually pay
> us on time.
>
> They set their own prices when they sell through the Coop, and each
> producer functions as his or her own brand.  Members order items from
> specific producers. The customers pay us a commission for buying through
> the Coop and the producers pay a commision for selling through the Coop,
> so the bottom line for our producers is that they get 77.5 cents out of
> every Coop grocery dollar, except for the sales tax.
>
> Most of them had had very bad experiences with local chefs.  The Coop
> pays our producers when they bring in their orders, "same day payment"
> has always been our rule.  We can do that because (a) we have working
> capital built up from the sale of member shares, and (b) we pay the
> farmers the same day our customers pay us.  And our customers do pay us
> or they don't get their groceries.
>
> So we ditched that idea.
>
> It's not a surprise that it's an unsustainable system, and this is what
> it looks like when a system is accelerating towards collapse.
>
> Bob Waldrop
> Oklahoma City
>
>
> So it's an unsustainable system out there.
> On 8/11/2014 6:43 PM, John D'hondt wrote:
>>
>> There was a time in this country where you could support a family from a
>> farm, but that is no longer the case because of the cheap food system
>> which was intentionally setup to concentrate all the profits in the
>> system
>> in the hands of the processors.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> Exactly, in the 1930's a farm laborer could feed his family for a week
>> from the proceeds of one sheep fleece (just wool). I saw recently
>> sheep being sold for 25 cents per head.
>> Prices for farm produce have been deliberately driven to near nothing
>> since 1945.
>> John
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