[permaculture] NAPC: Scarcity?

Darrell E. Frey defrey at bioshelter.com
Mon Aug 11 22:37:23 EDT 2014

Well, i know we should let this thread drop, as per tones of 
reconcilliation are in the air,..... but I do not believe anyone is 
being asked to camp. Camping is offered as a low cost option. Staying 
in a motel and commuting is also an option. I think at the momemt i am 
appreciative of the camoing option due to my present budget. 

Darrell E. Frey
Three Sisters Farm
defrey at bioshelter.com

Author; Bioshelter Market Garden: A Permaculture Farm. New Society 
Publishing, 2011

On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 12:04:30 -0700, Toby Hemenway 
<toby at patternliteracy.com> wrote:
On Aug 9, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Koreen Brennan via permaculture 
<permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
> > I'd like to interject that it sounds like there is an assumption 
> that there is a problem with this event. None of the organizers is 
> complaining about not being paid. We plan to put on a fantastic, blow 
> your socks off event. So what problem are we trying to solve, 
> exactly?   This thread got started--and I know it's hard to remember 
> with all that's been said--by my reply to Skeeter's post in which he 
> asked us to imagine how much tickets would cost if they paid people 
> for their work (and my frustration at how little it would actually 
> be!). One of the other organizers had made a similar remark to me 
> privately. I took that as an indication that more than one presenter 
> was not happy about not being paid for working at their profession.  
> There were also statements about the organizers feeling overwhelmed 
> and not having time or help to do things that could have added to the 
> event. So we were working on how to develop more resources for them, 
> and not necessarily money. 
> It sounds like the organizers would like more sign-ups, so that's 
> part of it. (BTW, many of my Canadian friends tell me they heard 
> nothing about this event). Also, I have heard from some permies who 
> live more middle-class lives that they are not going because they 
> were put off by the camping and the probability that they would be 
> asked to hold hands in a circle and sing. (relevant story: When I was 
> doing a workshop in Minnesota years ago (where NAPC will be held), I 
> joked to the class that if we were in Northern California, I would 
> now ask them to hold hands, but instead would just ask that they 
> stand near their group-mates. Someone said, "Here in Minnesota, we 
> don't even like to stand near other people." When in Rome . . . let's 
> remember local culture.) So those seemed like "problems" worth 
> solving. And then there were the whole "scarcity in permaculture" and 
> "free is not sustainable" pieces as larger issues triggering all this 
> that go beyond NAPC. Those REALLY seem like problems worth solving, 
> because they are huge limitations. 
> That we are tackling both site-specific and larger issues that are 
> now constantly cropping up for us is, I think, why this has been such 
> a great thread. 
> For a first-time event, I think the organizers have done a very good 
> job. And there is always room for improvement, and room for gleaning 
> knowledge from the collective mind, especially from other people who 
> have (also) put on lots of events. 
> Given the resources made available (especially in the form of 
> talented people), I am sure that NAPC will be a terrific event--or 
> else I wouldn't be going. 
> And now, having fired off a spate of quick emails, I will return to 
> my first real vacation in ages, at awe-inspiring Yosemite. 
> Toby
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