[permaculture] NAPC: Scarcity?

Lawrence London lfljvenaura at gmail.com
Thu Aug 7 23:23:47 EDT 2014


You have :

Gathering as in Rainbow Gathering
Convergence
Convocation
Conference
even: Festival

* and:convivium* (*plural* *convivia
<http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/convivia#English>*)

   1. (ecology <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ecology>) A geographically
   <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/geographically> isolated
   <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/isolated> population
   <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/population> of a species
   <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/species> that shows differentiation
   <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/differentiation> from other populations
   of the same species; becomes a subspecies
   <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/subspecies> or ecotype
   <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ecotype>

people evolving into permaculturists

What is this thing about convergences stigmatized by association with New
Age things; seems awfully unfair to all parties?




On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Darrell E. Frey <defrey at bioshelter.com>
wrote:

> Koreen
>
> Oh no, Watch out... you just called permaculture a movement.... another
> potential can of worms...
> This is comment is sort of tongue in cheek, but not entirely as these
> pages have debated that topic to some extent. Personally I do not care if
> it is a movement, or a convergence or what ever. But those that do find
> much relavance in distinction of terms
>
> Darrell
>
>
> Darrell E. Frey
> Three Sisters Farm
> defrey at bioshelter.com
> www.bioshelter.com
>
> Author; Bioshelter Market Garden: A Permaculture Farm. New Society
> Publishing, 2011
>
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 18:16:17 -0700, Koreen Brennan via permaculture <
> permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
> Robyn, Thank you much for your clarification and for sharing this
> information. There were very likely some valuable successful actions at
> those early meetings that may still be relevant today. The sequence of
> convergence and then conference sounds like it might have advantages for
> the reasons you mention. I think it is important that the history of our
> movement is more broadly known in our community.
>
>>
>> Koreen Brennan
>> www.growpermaculture.com
>> www.northamericanpermaculture.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 7, 2014 5:03 PM, Michael Pilarski via permaculture <
>> permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>  Jason,
>>
>> thanks for the sayin'.  How would you design this conversation into the
>> convergence?  I am sure it will be addressed to some extent in various
>> talks and keynotes. Can you focalize a think tank along these lines?
>> Looking forward to working with you at NAPC.
>> Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
>> Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 7, 2014 2:15 AM, Jason Gerhardt <
>> jasongerhardt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> This conversation has been very interesting to follow. I’m on vacation,
>> but
>> can’t resist a comment or two. For the record, I’m attending NAPC and
>> excited. I’m trying not to have hopes, but just be open so I can observe,
>> participate, and contribute.
>>
>>
>> I totally hear Toby’s points and resonate with the need to make a more
>> professional presentation. I also hear Koreen in saying there are many
>> types of people interested in permaculture and therefore many
>> needs/desires
>> for a conference/convergence. In thinking through all of this I see a big
>> point that is lacking, which is probably the exact reason why we need to
>> converge.
>>
>>
>> First, we can’t just look at *needs and yields*. Mollison drew up the
>> Analysis of Elements design methodology in a specific way and I think it
>> has been too commonly dumbed-down to needs and yields analysis. What are
>> missing are *characteristics*. I see it being useful to define the
>> characteristics, in the application of a permaculture conference, as *what
>> permaculture is*. The needs and yields of a permaculture conference should
>> primarily be developed from the characteristics of what permaculture is,
>> otherwise we are going to try being everything to everyone, especially if
>> a
>> survey is used to identify the needs and desired yields of hundreds of
>> people. The defining feature of all of this is that people think
>> permaculture is too many different things. We have done a poor job at
>> defining permaculture and actually practicing it as it is defined (the
>> bigger problem). That is also the stumbling block to attaining greater
>> professionalism and thus securing larger projects with larger impact and
>> thus securing more secure livelihoods for practitioners. We are most
>> definitely still at the point of figuring out what the hell permaculture
>> is. And that is probably a good reason to converge.
>>
>>
>> Instead of this we are holding onto the idea of how to spread the
>> permaculture gospel. As if spreading the permaculture word is the
>> intention
>> rather than doing great work with permaculture. These two things get
>> greatly confused in the broad permaculture field (intentionally avoiding
>> the word movement as that has only confused things further as I see it).
>> And they are both hampered by the lack of having a solid definition that
>> doesn’t have all kinds of trappings and additionals attached to it.
>>
>>
>> Together, all of these things are what I see as preventatives to
>> permaculture actually taking off beyond the rural homestead strategies of
>> Mollisonian food forest and hugelkultur, which if we’re honest is so
>> fucking played. I wish we had more to share in a professional context of
>> permaculture application at these conferences (not to say we don’t have
>> anything, but there is less than we all know is possible), but why we
>> don’t
>> is because we haven’t broadly discovered the identity of the
>> permaculturist
>> yet. We’re still off journeying through the hinterlands hoping to stumble
>> upon the kernel of truth, when the truth has been right under our nose the
>> entire time. That truth is that permaculture has been simply and
>> well-defined already. And too few have accepted it and gotten down to
>> applying it.
>>
>>
>> I think we forget that “the solutions are embarrassingly simple.” It would
>> indeed be embarrassing to hold a conference on what permaculture is,
>> nearly
>> 40 years post coining, but I think that’s where we are, broadly speaking,
>> unfortunately.
>>
>>
>> Jason Gerhardt
>>
>>
>>
>> p.s. this is in no way whatsoever critiquing any one individual nor aimed
>> at the organizers of NAPC, which consists of good friends and colleagues.
>> In modern parlance…I’m just sayin’. ______________________________
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