[permaculture] Permaculture recommendation for Deep Green Resistance

Lawrence London lfljvenaura at gmail.com
Wed Jul 3 14:23:35 EDT 2013

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Bob Waldrop <bob at bobwaldrop.net> wrote:
>> I bought the book and am about half way through it.  The word
>> "permaculture" has only appeared once, but what followed thereafter was
>> nothing like anything I've ever read in the Design Manual or heard
>> people talking about around here. Maybe they get into more of a critique
>> later in the book, but from what I've read thus far, there's no evidence
>> of much info about permaculture.  The entire first half have been almost
>> totally dedicated to piling up the evidence that every other possible
>> way of dealing with the present situation is inadequate, inane, stupid,
>> narcisistic, counter-productive, or some combination.  It is really
>> heavy on the psychology.
>> My impression is that they want us to start blowing up power generation
>> stations, oil wells, and etc. in order to set a "quick crash" in motion
>> that will inevitably kill of a large portion of the population.  This
>> they seem to think is the only chance the biosphere has.  Boy I bet the
>> NSA surveillance system will like THIS email, lol.
> I bet so too, unfortunately for this forum. Can't control what people write.
> From its origin to the present there has been no discussion of various
> forms of extreme "activism" here
> and I would like to keep it that way.

It is probably appropriate to post this here at this time given events
unfolding in the news media;
I thought this to be very well worded and important for US citizens to
read and appreciate:

Edward Snowden's father writes open letter to NSA whistleblower in Moscow

Edward Snowden's father writes open letter to NSA whistleblower in Moscow

Lon Snowden pens open letter with his attorney in response to a
statement issued by his son Edward Snowden from Moscow

    guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 2 July 2013 16.42 EDT

Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport
Edward Snowden has been caught in legal limbo in the transit zone of
Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport since his arrival from Hong Kong.
Photograph: Sergei Grits/AP

Here is the text of the open letter Lon Snowden, along with his
attorney, Bruce Fein, wrote to US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden.
The letter was provided to the Associated Press.

July 2, 2013

Edward Joseph Snowden


Dear Edward:

I, Bruce Fein, am writing this letter in collaboration with your
father in response to the statement you issued yesterday in Moscow.

Thomas Paine, the voice of the American Revolution, trumpeted that a
patriot saves his country from his government.

What you have done and are doing has awakened congressional oversight
of the intelligence community from deep slumber; and, has already
provoked the introduction of remedial legislation in Congress to
curtail spying abuses under section 215 of the Patriot Act and section
702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. You have forced onto
the national agenda the question of whether the American people prefer
the right to be left alone from government snooping absent probable
cause to believe crime is afoot to vassalage in hopes of a risk-free
existence. You are a modern day Paul Revere summoning the American
people to confront the growing danger of tyranny and one branch

In contrast to your actions, Director of National Intelligence James
Clapper responded last March as follows to an unambiguous question
raised by Senator Ron Wyden:

"Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds
of millions of Americans?" Clapper testified, "No sir, it does not."
Wyden asked for clarification, and Clapper hedged: "Not wittingly.
There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect, but
not wittingly."

Director Clapper later defended his stupendous mendacity to the
Senator as the least untruthful answer possible. President Obama has
not publicly rebuked the Director for frustrating the right of the
people to know what their government is doing and to force changes if
necessary through peaceful democratic processes. That is the meaning
of government by the consent of the governed. "We the people" are
sovereign under the U.S. Constitution, and government officials are
entrusted with stewardship (not destruction) of our liberties.

We leave it to the American people to decide whether you or Director
Clapper is the superior patriot.

The history of civilization is a history of brave men and women
refusing to bow to government wrongdoing or injustice, and exalting
knowledge, virtue, wisdom, and selflessness over creature comforts as
the North Star of life. We believe your actions fall within that
honorable tradition, a conviction we believe is shared by many.

As regards your reduction to de facto statelessness occasioned by the
Executive Branch to penalize your alleged violations of the Espionage
Act, the United States Supreme Court lectured in Trop v. Dulles
(1958): "The civilized nations of the world are in virtual unanimity
that statelessness is not to be imposed as punishment for crime."

We think you would agree that the final end of the state is to make
men and women free to develop their faculties, not to seek planetary
domination through force, violence or spying. All Americans should
have a fair opportunity to pursue their ambitions. Politics should not
be a football game with winners and losers featuring juvenile taunts
over fumbles or missteps.

Irrespective of life's vicissitudes, we will be unflagging in efforts
to educate the American people about the impending ruination of the
Constitution and the rule of law unless they abandon their complacency
or indifference. Your actions are making our challenge easier.

We encourage you to engage us in regular exchanges of ideas or
thoughts about approaches to curing or mitigating the hugely
suboptimal political culture of the United States. Nothing less is
required to pay homage to Valley Forge, Cemetery Ridge, Omaha Beach,
and other places of great sacrifice.

Very truly yours,

Bruce Fein

Counsel for Lon Snowden

Lon Snowden

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