[permaculture] Drylands water capture question

Koreen Brennan cory8570 at yahoo.com
Sat Apr 27 00:38:48 EDT 2013

Great info too. We are in Zone 4, and we hit zone 5 in some areas, so it is warmer, though it does hit -50 below wind chill occasionally. Usually does not go that much below 0 F though. 
Koreen Brennan


 From: "dwoodard at becon.org" <dwoodard at becon.org>
To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org> 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 5:11 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Drylands water capture question

Koreen, although South Dakota is a little warmer than most of the 
Canadian Prairies I have been surprised at some of the species 
mentioned, such as honey locust.

The shelterbelt program on the Canadian Prairies has amassed a lot of 
good information over the years. You may find it useful to have a look 


click on "Publications."

This was part of the Prairie Farm Rehabilitation Administration (PFRA).

Note that our neocon federal government is in the process of trashing 
this program and you should assume that the online and print resources 
will not last beyond 2013.

You might also look at


This Canadian nursery may be able to supply U.S. customers. In the past 
they have been wholesale only, but you might qualify due to volume:

Jeffries Nurseries

Their new "Gemini" apple looks interesting. The farm of the breeder, 
the late Art Coutts, at Unity, Saskatchewan is around the margin of 
Agriculture Canada zones 2a and 2b, a little colder than Saskatoon.

The Agriculture Canada zones are a little different from the USDA 
zones; search on
"Agriculture Canada Plant Hardiness Zones."

A couple of other Canadian prairie nurseries may be useful for 
reference only:

Alberta Nurseries and Seeds

Boughen Nurseries Valley River

Probably you are aware of Lawyer Nurseries in Montana:

For vegetable seed sources this may be useful:


The book "Horticultural Horizons" by the late Frank Skinner (nurseryman 
and breeder) although a few decades old may provide some useful 

I believe Skinner used Siberian Elm at Dropmore, Manitoba in 
Agriculture Canada zone 2.

St. Lawrence Nurseries at Potsdam, New York has an especially coldhardy 
honey locust and also a bur oak. Potsdam seems to have a somewhat more 
rigourous climate than Ottawa; a little to the south but considerably 

Tissue cultured plants are sold to the U.S. by

Some additional cultivar information can be found at

For the hardier gooseberries and currants, Whitman Farms (USA) has an 
unusually large selection:

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:53:18 -0700 (PDT), Koreen Brennan 
<cory8570 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> These are all fantastic ideas. We do have some inexpensive elm
> available via the NRD. Question, has anybody worked with honey locust
> in drylands? I love that tree, very useful and it has a good taproot,
> but it hasn't taken off and I'd like to see how I could assist it. 
> ________________________________
>  From: Andrew Millison <amillison at gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Drylands water capture question
> Koreen,
> I noticed on the Navajo and Hopi lands, very harsh high desert with 
> extreme
> wind, the only deciduous tree that grew in extremely degraded areas 
> is the
> Siberian Elm.


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