[permaculture] oxygenation of water

Steve Hart stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com
Thu Apr 4 18:18:21 EDT 2013


Hi Georg

Thanks John

On hydroponics there is enough evidence out there for us to make up our own
mind, intellectually, at least. Vandana Shiva's latest lecture at Canada's
Victoria University
 ( http://www.uvic.ca/anniversary/videos/index.php ) where she was awarded
an honary doctorate is a good start. Another is doing a PDC with a
recognised tutor...who knows well the realities of the principle of
Permaculture...
 "work with nature not against it "..many PDC graduates I'm afraid have not
selected wisely. That's still yet another debate.

On "care for people"....that opens up a wider more dramatic debate. Like
"share of surplus" ? But I'll let Scott Pittman answer that debate. It
seems to me that we as a species is looking in the face of extinction. And,
there is such a thing known as "species extinction" . Should we ask why ?
Dare we ask, Why ?  It is not about saving the planet, never was , it is
about saving the species called, man. It seems to me that we have deficated
in the nest we live in to the extent that it is now full and overflowing
and suffocating us. Why ? is that intelligence or just the way of nature
who looks after those that do not deserve to be on this planet. A rare
level of intelligence I reckon that many of us have not yet fathomed. So we
have a long way to go and the next 20 years is looking pretty
exciting.....see you in Cuba at IPC11....hopefully...for more discussion on
all debates....Steve Hart


On 5 April 2013 09:29, John D'hondt <dhondt at eircom.net> wrote:

> Georg,
> You may know better but I don't. I know hydroponics best from trying to eat
> the result and even a child knows the difference. At least my grand
> children
> have no interest in eating it after one bite.
> Calling hydroponics permaculture is a bit of poetic liberty. What to do
> when
> the pumps stop and the power fails?
>
> I also happen to agree with Steve's other statement.
> John
>
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> >> even though most
> >> don't deserve to be on this planet.
> >
> > How does that go with "care for the people"?
> >
> >
> >> I have had first hand experience in
> >> hydroponics by way of helping a mate out recently for 9 weeks. It
> >> proved to
> >> me beyond doubt that what I say satisfies me absolutely. It
> >> certainly is
> >> not an "eco-sensitive, nature-friendly agricultural process". It is
> >> synthetic
> >
> > There are hydroponics and hydroponics. If a newbie helps out on a
> > fully machanized, fueldriven, spray-crazy farm and then says "naw,
> > farming is not about production of living foods", we would know
> > better. So do I when I read your judgements.
> >
> > Best,
> > Georg
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