[permaculture] oxygenation of water

Steve Hart stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com
Wed Apr 3 23:18:09 EDT 2013

Hydroponics....nahhh....sorry Lawrenceits does not fit into any part of
Permaculture. I don't know which PDC you did but my several from BM et al
and many life experiences have certainly highlighted this reality. But,
great reverberation there Lawrence and to see which side of the path your
viewpoint is....mine is obviously not on the same path and perhaps more of
a purest within the relm of "Working with Nature not Against it". IMO there
is a world of experiences to explore within the relms of nature to more
than satisfy all the needs of the burgeoning 9 billion even though most
don't deserve to be on this planet. I have had first hand experience in
hydroponics by way of helping a mate out recently for 9 weeks. It proved to
me beyond doubt that what I say satisfies me absolutely. It certainly is
not an "eco-sensitive, nature-friendly agricultural process". It is
synthetic and if a major part of Permaculture is about food it is
reasonably well recognised now that our body needs nutrition from nature
not synthetics.....my case rests...Steve Hart

On 4 April 2013 15:41, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> > I don't know where this thread came from or where it is leading to but
> > hydroponics has nothing to do with Permaculture and it seems you may get
> >
> Of course it does, Steve. Any eco-sensitive, nature-friendly agricultural
> process should be considered part of permaculture.
> If a person can make a living with hydroponics production of food, herbs,
> flowers, etc. and considers
> himself a bona fide permaculture practitioner, should he abandon
> hydroponics, according to your assertion?
> My take on natural. organic, sustainable, permacultural market farmers and
> gardeners who may or may not supply you with
> some of all of your fresh produce needing to boycott industrial production
> of rock phosphate and abandon using it on his garden or farm soil
> to me is impractical and in the long run not a sustainable practice to
> indulge in. Boycotts of this sort will do absolutely nothing to change the
> negative
> practices this industry uses and will only deprive the gardener or farmer
> of a soil amendment of major importance that he desperately needs. Bone or
> feather meal is not an
> alternative. Heavy production will require regular application of rock or
> colloidal phosphate. It does not leach from soils, especially if
> permaculture farming methods are used,
> so application rates can be kept to a minimum.
> In case you didn't notice it is a difficult world out there to make a
> living in due to the prevalence of greed and waste in the system.  Any
> reasonable eco-friendly way a permie can make a living seems OK to me as
> long as it does not turn you into a vlad award candidate in the process.
> greater advantage by considering the whole natural energy of water and its
> > living dynamic via Victor Schauberger and Theodore Scwenk's work and
> others
> > namely John Wilkes and his Flow Forms, which is now serviced by my old
> > friend Ian Trousdell...( https://sites.google.com/site/*flowforms*
> > /Home/design.../*iain*-*trousdell )*.. Steve Hart
> >
> Very interesting. Thanks for the references.
> LL
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