[permaculture] oxygenation of water

Lawrence London lfljvenaura at gmail.com
Wed Apr 3 22:41:34 EDT 2013

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart at gmail.com>wrote:

> I don't know where this thread came from or where it is leading to but
> hydroponics has nothing to do with Permaculture and it seems you may get

Of course it does, Steve. Any eco-sensitive, nature-friendly agricultural
process should be considered part of permaculture.
If a person can make a living with hydroponics production of food, herbs,
flowers, etc. and considers
himself a bona fide permaculture practitioner, should he abandon
hydroponics, according to your assertion?

My take on natural. organic, sustainable, permacultural market farmers and
gardeners who may or may not supply you with
some of all of your fresh produce needing to boycott industrial production
of rock phosphate and abandon using it on his garden or farm soil
to me is impractical and in the long run not a sustainable practice to
indulge in. Boycotts of this sort will do absolutely nothing to change the
practices this industry uses and will only deprive the gardener or farmer
of a soil amendment of major importance that he desperately needs. Bone or
feather meal is not an
alternative. Heavy production will require regular application of rock or
colloidal phosphate. It does not leach from soils, especially if
permaculture farming methods are used,
so application rates can be kept to a minimum.

In case you didn't notice it is a difficult world out there to make a
living in due to the prevalence of greed and waste in the system.  Any
reasonable eco-friendly way a permie can make a living seems OK to me as
long as it does not turn you into a vlad award candidate in the process.

greater advantage by considering the whole natural energy of water and its
> living dynamic via Victor Schauberger and Theodore Scwenk's work and others
> namely John Wilkes and his Flow Forms, which is now serviced by my old
> friend Ian Trousdell...( https://sites.google.com/site/*flowforms*
> /Home/design.../*iain*-*trousdell )*.. Steve Hart

Very interesting. Thanks for the references.


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