[permaculture] Food forest on the rez

Andrew Millison amillison at gmail.com
Thu May 26 23:43:46 EDT 2011


Hello,
Tooley's Trees in Truchas, New Mexico, has some of the most hardy and
drought adapted heirloom varieties of fruit trees available in the arid US
interior. Gordon Tooley did a bunch of heirloom fruit tree salvage and
grafting instruction on the Hopi rez when I was up there. If you get in
contact with him, he may be able to give you the rez permaculture deal. He's
a really great guy who has spent decades locating and propagating the
hardiest stock for high elevation arid climates.

Here's his website:
http://tooleystrees.com/

Good luck,
Andrew Millison

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Cory Brennan <cory8570 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Loren, good to here from you!  What you're doing sounds really great
> too!
> We have created contour swales and we use mulch and deep water trees when
> first planted. Soils are clay so they do retain moisture especially with
> mulch. We're using a number of drylands techniques to capture water such as
> you outlined. There is so much dry wind here that I'm not sure about the
> condensation techniques but this site is experimental so we could try it and
> see what happens. There are some mulberries that grow up here, we've been
> checking out the local wisdom on fruit trees. We can't grow pines because
> cattle abort if they eat pine needles, and this is a cattle ranch.
> Neil,  We do not have suppliers lined up, and anything that can cut our
> costs will allow us to provide more outreach to more people so we would love
> any contacts, etc, you may have. We are connected to a couple of other food
> security projects on the rez that have soils prepared and some more
> sheltered areas where we could get some fruit trees started (including some
> community gardens) so we can use pretty much all we can get.
> We do get rains in the summer, sometimes a couple inches or more at a time.
> It's not like S Cal where you get no rain for 3 months straight, or more!
>  But we still need to be clever about catching water... Thanks much for your
> advice and support.
> Cory
>
> --- On Thu, 5/26/11, loren luyendyk <loren at sborganics.com> wrote:
>
> From: loren luyendyk <loren at sborganics.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Food forest on the rez
> To: "Permaculture Listserve" <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, May 26, 2011, 5:29 PM
>
>
> Hi Cory-
>
> A while ago there was a thread on atmospheric water harvesters (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_well_%28condenser%29,), or dew harvesters
> .  In the Pine Ridge area you may be able to condense atmospheric water with
> sheet metal or plastic "mulch" placed around the young trees and angled
> towards the tree so that dew and condensation drips onto the plants ((
> http://www.plastemart.com/upload/Literature/write-up_for_plastmart.asp),
> though this still may be hard in the summer.
>
> Rough mulch of logs and rocks will also help to preserve and condense
> water.  Soil prep should also include earthworks to harvest any rainwater
> that does fall.  I know that you have a long and hot dry season to span, and
> any tree will need some supplemental water for the first year at least.
>
> As far as plant selection, may I suggest looking into nut pines (korean,
> etc) for windbreaks.  These can handle severe frost and wind and also
> provide nutritious nuts!  For expediency, I would also look into any plants
> you can do from cuttings, like mulberry (if they will survive).
>
> Best of luck!  Sounds like a great project!
> Loren Luyendyk
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>
> > Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 13:58:03 -0700
> > From: neilbertrando at gmail.com
> > To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Food forest on the rez
> >
> > Cory,
> >
> > Do you have the ability to purchase from wholesale nurseries?  this can
> > often really drop your costs.  you may need a resellers/retailers
> > certificate, but if you have a not for profit or some other business (or
> you
> > call and explain the situation) that will probably work.  Also, if you
> > aren't currently connected, I recommend NAFEX (North American Fruit
> > Explorers) for access to scion wood and rootstocks and people with lots
> of
> > experience growing fruit trees on this continent.
> >
> > http://www.nafex.org/
> >
> > <http://www.nafex.org/>You may already have your contacts and suppliers
> > lined up.  If you don't, let me know and I'll try and connect you with
> some
> > leads.
> >
> > I personally have struggled with getting plants established without some
> > soil prep (as Darren suggested), especially with little to no irrigation.
> >  I'm not sure what your rainfall regime is there, but if it is low to nil
> > during the warm season and you want to establish trees without
> irrigation, I
> > recommend looking at some establishment strategies such as deep pipe
> > irrigation, Driwater (they may provide you with a some opportunities if
> you
> > partner with them for research purposes), soil gels, growing trees out in
> > deep pot bands, or some other means of maintaining soil moisture and
> > encouraging deep rooting.
> >
> > It is inspiring to hear about the work y'all are doing there.  Best of
> luck,
> > Neil
> >
> > On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Cory Brennan <cory8570 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, Darren,
> > > Thank you for the advice. Common Vision is a good idea - didn't think
> they
> > > traveled out of S. Calif but worth a shot. We still want our own bus as
> we
> > > plan to use it as a mobile cultural and sustainability library for the
> rez
> > > and "multiple function" it to bring sustainability in several formats -
> the
> > > rez currently has NO public library!
> > > I hear you on cheap stocks, we do plan to graft and buy cheap - we have
> > > been working on a shoe string budget and we're all volunteering here,
> and
> > > have been getting a lot done, for the money. We constantly recycle,
> reuse,
> > > reduce.  We have access to some fairly mature windbreak stock and
> already
> > > have somewhat sheltered areas so we feel we can plant fruit trees this
> year,
> > > and we have some very nice composted soil from animal manures, etc. We
> want
> > > to get the nursery going so stuff can start growing now for next year.
> > >  We'll be planting at least two food forests on the site (we have 42
> acres),
> > > the first one will be experimental to see what envelopes we can push
> and how
> > > we can push them. We will of course use our tools and knowledge and do
> our
> > > best to ensure maximal success. But we do need to push the envelope
> here.
> > > The reason being, is that the situation here is somewhat desperate on
> the
> > > subject of food and we really do not have the luxury of adding a lot
> > >  of time to this activity. So the sooner we get this going, the better.
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 5/20/11, Darren Doherty <darren at permaculture.biz> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Darren Doherty <darren at permaculture.biz>
> > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Food forest on the rez
> > > To: "permaculture" <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Date: Friday, May 20, 2011, 11:31 AM
> > >
> > > G'day,
> > >
> > > Can I suggest that as a low/no cost option for establishing this system
> > > that
> > > you look at the following options:
> > >
> > > A. Contact Common Vision <http://www.commonvision.org> who are already
> > > doing
> > > the bus thing and are very fine people....plus their main game is
> planting
> > > fruit trees en masse...
> > > B. Look to sourcing cheap rootstocks and/or growing seedlings from
> locally
> > > grown fruit trees and then doing some grafting...
> > >
> > > If you are growing windbreaks then you have the time to do point B.
> until
> > > such time as these get established. Sometimes in exposed/new sites its
> a
> > > good idea to do a year's preparation of soils and sites before you
> plant:
> > > that's our experience though of course you can, with capital and
> materials,
> > > push the envelope....but the can is being rattled so perhaps a more
> > > deliberate, high quality job can be done....
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > >
> > > Darren
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20 May 2011 15:35, Cory Brennan <cory8570 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > We want to put a food forest on the rez (Pine Ridge Lakota
> reservation)
> > > > this spring as a demonstration and propagation site, but we're also
> doing
> > > a
> > > > large kitchen garden and some other projects that took up our budget,
> so
> > > we
> > > > had put that idea aside - until someone made a Kickstarter video for
> us
> > > and
> > > > it started raising funds. We got excited - we now feel we can do
> this!
> > > We
> > > > have the manpower and equipment to get the holes dug, windbreak trees
> in,
> > > > swales put in, etc. We're planning a no-irrigation food forest that
> will
> > > be
> > > > self-contained. We've been madly researching and want to experiment
> with
> > > a
> > > > number of fruit species, using some microclimates to get them to grow
> in
> > > > this relatively harsh climate. We are really excited about this
> because
> > > it
> > > > is getting some interest and support on the rez and we think it will
> > > catch
> > > > on. Along with the food forest will be youth tree planting events,
> > > > education, outreach, etc. If we get enough funds we could get our
> > > >  permaculture bus repaired and activated and take our show on the rez
> > > road.
> > > >  Please consider supporting the project and forwarding to your
> friends!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/olceri/pine-ridge-food-forest-growing-food-security-on-th?ref=live
> > > > Mitakuye Oyasin,
> > > > Cory Brennanfacebook.com/
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