[permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC

carolyn anderson cschampagne at gmail.com
Fri Feb 5 12:58:25 EST 2010


Wow!
This is amazing!
Thank you!

So much here!
I'm going to print this out and keep it in my notebook.
I had not even thought about fruit trees, but I had considered pear in
passing awhile ago, as it gets to be a nice size and would complement the
raised house height.

I have just learned about Southern Highbush blueberries this past week, as I
am a blueberry freak.

I've clearly got a lot to choose from and your info is a great inspiration
to start focusing in on what I want and how much to grow.
My area is only about 12 feet in diameter, so I'll have to be very
selective.

Thanks again, so much,
Carolyn

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Tripp Tibbetts <slowfoodguy at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Carolyn,
> I'll take a stab at this as I'm mentally involved in returning to the south
> where I grew up, after being away for some time, and adjusting my
> garden/food forest regime to accomodate the climate differences.  And in the
> process hopefully I can ameliorate some of Isabel's (Udan Farm) concerns
> about fruit growing in these conditions.  As you are well aware I'm sure,
> you're in a hot, humid subtropical climate that gets a lot of rain, and the
> majority of that during the long hot summer growing season.  As a physical
> construct, I might suggest trying out an Emilia Hazelip-style, French
> intensive system:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugFd1JdFaE0
>
> This would not only focus your fertility in sandy soils, but it would lift
> your crops up out of the regular heavy downpours that can wash a
> well-intentioned garden away like a sandcastle at the beach on a rising
> tide.  As far as WHAT you grow, I haven't done a lot of specific research
> into varieties, but you can grow damn near anything in that climate.  The
> key to disease prevention, besides the usual permacultural IPM strategies,
> is air circulation.  Keep prevailing breezes moving through your crops.
> Don't close down your garden.
>
> Any good permie would start to replace annuals with perennials at their
> earliest convenience, and I assume you'll be heading that direction.  Isabel
> mentioned that apples, pears, and plums don't do well in our southeastern
> U.S. climate, but fruit breeding has made just about anything possible these
> days.  My suggestions: pear - Comice (which is, happily, the flavor standard
> for pears); apple - Anna, Golden Dorset, or anything that blooms early and
> matures late like a Brown or Golden Russet (for the permie in you, these are
> great multi-purpose varieties - fresh, cider, keeper); for plums - try
> Japanese plums - they usually require far fewer chill hours to produce and
> are VERY easy for a beginner; cherries - I highly recommend the sweet black
> cherry 'Lapins' that requires only 500 chill hours; and of course there are
> lots of blueberries, peaches/nectarines, persimmons, pawpaws, blackberries,
> and maybe even a Mandarin, like Owari Satsuma (grown by
>  Fukuoka himself I believe!), that might do if you could find a warm
> microclimate in your system.  Plenty of figs would fit the bill,
> pomegranates, guavas, loquats, medlar, kiwis, grapes, Italian stone pines
> for nuts, hazels and walnuts (if you get enough chill), pecans, almonds,
> and the usual suspects in the Nitrogen-fixing category like goumis, pea
> shrubs (for poultry), and seaberries.
>
> If you just have a small garden, choose one or two semi-dwarf fruit trees
> (you can get 3- or 4-in-1 trees with multiple fruits), a couple of flowering
> quinces perhaps, bush and bramble berries, goumis, asparagus, strawberries,
> artichokes, and all the usual annual veggies to keep you happy.
>
> Have fun!
>
> Tripp
>
>
>
> The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, carolyn anderson <cschampagne at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: carolyn anderson <cschampagne at gmail.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC
> To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 2:46 AM
>
>
> HI,
> I'm totally new to permaculture, although I've been peripherally aware of
> it
> for about 9 years.  I recently relocated to Charleston SC and want to grow
> a
> veggie garden using permaculture.  I have limited space and resources, so
> it's important to me that I start small and make as few mistakes as
> possible. Can anyone refer me to a resource for learning where to begin and
> how to proceed in coastal SC conditions?  I have a gift certificate from an
> heirloom seed catalogue, and don't even know which varieties will do well
> here.  Thanks so much.  Carolyn
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