[permaculture] David Blume and "Alcohol Can Be A Gas"

Robert Waldrop bwaldrop at cox.net
Tue Oct 20 18:29:12 EDT 2009

At the Financial Permaculture summit in 2008, one of the groups worked 
on a concept for a farmer-owned cooperative that would make fuel from 
local production for use in local production with some surplus available 
to be sold to the community, another useful product being the "brewers 
grains" which would go to dairies in the area, all of whom would be in 
the cooperative too.  I think at that level, alcohol production from 
biomass makes economic, energetic and permacultural "sense".  Giant 
factories using corn to make ethanol for use across a continent is 
clearly not a net-energy activity.  Corn is probably one of the worst 
things to make into alcohol.

Bob Waldrop, OKC

Leo Brodie wrote:
> Do any of you have any thoughts or experience with David Blume and his advocacy of alcohol (aka ethanol) as fuel? He touts himself as a permaculturist (he owns the domain permaculture.com), and does speak in terms that make some ecological sense (local production, re-applying the mash back to the soil), but I'm not sure it all adds up.
> He makes it sound like alcohol burns completely clean, but I've found academic research (e.g http://petroleum.berkeley.edu/patzek/BiofuelQA/Materials/ClimateHealth.pdf) that says otherwise.
> I'm asking because I have never heard any mention of his work in Permaculture circles, but if his claims have any merit we should be trying this stuff.
> Thanks in advance,
> Leo Brodie, Seattle 
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