[permaculture] food forest

Lisa Rollens rollens at fidnet.com
Sat Mar 14 21:10:32 EDT 2009

Hmmm...I didn't know there was a different species of honey locust with 
small pods.  They're not black locust, are they??  Ours down here have large 
pods...16-18 inches long.  I picked up over 20 feedbags full and have been 
feeding them to my dairy cow all winter.  I don't know if they would graft. 
NM ones wouldn't be acclimated to MO.  Too bad they are male or female 
trees, or I'd dig up a few (dozen) seedlings and send them to you!  They 
come up all over...esp after feeding the pods to the cow.  I didn't think 
I'd increase the problem too much because apparently the deer and turkey 
spread them everywhere...cows or no cows.

You asked what trees I am using for food....you mean in my forest garden?  I 
am building it around 7 large black walnut trees in the yard.  That limits 
me somewhat, but not very much.  I have elderberries, serviceberry, 
chestnut, witch hazel, black raspberry, and gooseberries under the black 
walnuts, so far.  It's slow going because I have to get rid of bermuda grass 
before I plant.  And it's everywhere.

You must be about one zone colder than here.  We generally don't get that 
cold in the winter, but the summers are about the same, altho usually it's 
very dry here/

Good luck and keep us posted with your work!  Lisa, in the MO Ozarks

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "negiliblek" <negiliblek at yahoo.com>
To: <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:52 PM
Subject: [permaculture] food forest

For clarity with regards to the micro-climate and ground type I will work 
with this April:
MO - clay, winter, (Oct-March): below 0 F; summer: humid not above 100 F 
often, dense natural foilage
NM - rocky clay, 6,800-8,500ft above sea level, winter (Oct-April):2ft or 
more snow below 0 F; summer:dry 80-90's F with Aug-July Monsoons, Sparse 
natural foilage
IA -rich topsoil layer, winter (Oct-March): well below 0 F, summer:humid 
80-90's, dense natural foilage

yarrow at sfo.com -thanks for the clarifications.

Lisa Rollens -near Maysville (not really central MO) ...the species of honey 
locust that already grows there produces very small (and flat) beans where 
as the species planted in Gallup, NM produce beans about 1/4" thick. I 
wonder if I could take a few small twigs from the locust trees in Gallup and 
graft them onto the full grown locust trees in MO somehow? How large are the 
beans produced by your trees? What trees are you using for food?

Larry -thanks for your opinions and the facts/pics!

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