[permaculture] US National Permaculture Conference
scott at permaculture.org
Tue Dec 8 23:07:53 EST 2009
And what is a national conference if not centralized??
I think that the example of carbon offsets and pumping money into banks to
create jobs are both examples of how our culture scams us into participation
in a game of making the top earners in this culture stay on top.
That we could easily set up a website with database for the whole world to
access in a month is a total pipedream. And I mean a pop the magic dragon
And to then ask for someone else to step up to the plate and create this
dream is beyond the pale.
This list and others that I visit on the web are more than enough ideas for
me to digest and use - I don't need a conference for that. To meet old
friends and exchange our experience over the years and to make new friends
would be the only thing that would pull me to a national conference at this
point. The singing and dancing would be much more of an incentive than an
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[mailto:permaculture-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Andrew McSwain
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] US National Permaculture Conference
Back to the original subject. I can understand with the spirit of this
moviment how a centralized permaculture conference could turn what someone
trying to centralize it might consider a disaster, but I disagree with the
idea that we should not have a national convergence to exchange ideas for
. The power structures and information systems of our culture are not
centralized on a regional basis, they are, after all, national, and it is
for this reason that I believe we should still consider the idea of having a
national conference even if only for gathering together to exchange
techniques, ideas; form relationships; and the likes. I think the carbon
that is burned arriving at the location is a necessary investment toward the
elimation of it's use.
Sometimes we have to spend in order to gain. Especially in an urgent
situation with tremendous consequences and where things are moving very
quickly. Look at the recent economic crisis as an example. We had to spend
money in order to get the economy moving again. In the same sense (thinking
as though carbon were already a currency) through carbon we spend, we gain
much more through the developments of such a conference. If the carbon is
that much of an issue for all of the organizers and participants, why not
tack on a fee and buy offset credits? Or even offer some sort of prize or
reward at the conference for offsetting the carbon of your flight.
In the mean time I think that it's even better still to take this group and
create a wiki or something.. some sort of collaborative database that takes
all of the rediscovered regional folk-knowledge and ingenious techniques and
compiles them in one place that anyone in the world can easily access and
If someone hasn't already done it, we should do it within the month.
Websites are cheap to run and wiki's don't consume a lot of bandwidth. This
could be up in a month easily.
Does anyone here have experience with wikis and social networking
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. <
venaurafarm at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Scott Pittman wrote:
> > Thank you Isabel for writing the scammers at Permaculture University -
> > everyone on this list would expose them for what they are at
> > www.permacultureuniversitycostarica.org perhaps it would slow down the
> > process. I am going to see what I can do legally when I am in Costa
> > January. I have found that just shining light on such scam artists is
> > usually enough to get them hide under another rock.
> I hope this is not another organization like the one in France that
> Larry had such a time with. Might be good to contact people who have
> actually been there for their feedback.
> It does seem to be lacking in basic information about what they do there
> and what the quality and safety of their accomodations. Don't they have
> to register with some agency, government or other, and could that be a
> source of information about them worth pursuing?
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