[permaculture] Svar: Re: Genetic Glass Ceiling

Thomas Paul Jahn tpj at life.ku.dk
Wed Dec 2 16:40:22 EST 2009

Sorry guys and girls, but this Morgellons thing seems rather ridiculous to me.
First of all, it is still disputed what the "thing" (disease) is. Secondly the two links from “Global Research” really disqualify themselves. In the first link, Agrobacterium is a introduced as a "substance". Obviously, the author had not the faintest idea, what he/she was talking about. Then in the second link, finally, the author was smart enough to do some research to find out, that the “substance” actually is a bacterium that is commonly used to transfer DNA (T-DNA) into plants for genetic engineering. But then all other information is a wild, incoherent mix. There is no proof provided whatsoever. And as a specialist in the field I have to confess that in my wildest dreams, I cannot see any possible connection between GMO and Morgellons disease.
But I know that Agrobacterium is ubiquitously present in our surroundings. And PCR, rather than being a highly “stringent” method (sounds very powerful, here we trust the science) is a very sensitive method that can pick up a single copy of a gene, meaning from traces of Agrobacterium. Just to give you an example, during the human DNA sequencing program, people were horrified by the risk to catch DNA from laboratory assistants into their test tubes. PCR would have amplified it just as happily as Lucy’s DNA and the entire project would have become a mess. (Maybe it did J)

The sad thing here is, when opponents of GMO technology descend to this type of uninformative campaign. I have just recently taken part in a scientific meeting about GMOs and I was probably the only opponent to GMO technology at the meeting. What I understood quite clearly is, with this type of campaigns we disqualify ourselves.
In my eyes, the worst thing about GMO is that it is a business and intellectual property thing. Money is ruling it. And I believe that we would do much better as opponents if we pointed towards this real threat, instead of distributing unqualified reports that do not last.
The main problem with GMO is that it is done, although not needed. Only for profit. That simple it is.


>>> "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm at bellsouth.net> 02-12-09 20:25 >>>
fdnokes at hotmail.com wrote:
> Why are so few people aware of this issue?
> Why aren't people gathering around the globe to express their discontent?

I was thinking the same thing. A reason might be that most people's 
silence has been bought and paid for or they are too brainwashed to
wake up and speak for themselves.

The Morgellons thing ought to be enough to make the gmo researchers
themselves recoil in horror. That alone could be a rallying call to action.

For me, I will begin identifying all foods I buy that could contain 
gmo's and eliminate them from my groceries. Needless to say I will only 
eat at home or at local restaurants using local ingredients and non gmo 

Tripp Tibbetts wrote:
 > Sshhh!
 > Be quiet, Frances.  Survivor is coming back on...
 > (in the background) this message brought to you by, Cargill -
 > Nourishing Ideas.  Nourishing People.

Nourishing theirs and their stockholders pocketbooks. They'd fee us
flavored sawdust if they thought we would eat it. Look at the meat 
industry, largely unregulated, and what is fed to the animals to make 
the burgers.

Even soy (gmo of course) has big problems in conventional food industry. 
Traditional Asian soy, prepared the way it is in Korea, Japan and 
elsewhere in that part of the world is OK for you. Here is a source article:
"Here's what we know about soy: unprocessed, it's a great source of 
digestible protein and has tons of vitamin B, calcium, and folate — all 
things that are good for you. It also contains isoflavones, and here's 
where things get tricky. Some studies prove that isoflavones are 
beneficial, while others have shown that it promotes breast and prostate 
cancer. Soy has also been called out as an agent of brain cell aging and 
thyroid dysfunction, too."
"The bottom line, at least for now, seems to be that good soy prevent 
cancer and bad soy might promote cancer. Good soy = tofu, soy sauce, 
miso, natto, edamame. Bad soy = soy protein powder, energy bars made 
with soy, fake hot dogs, tofurky."

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