[permaculture] what about lubrication?

lbsaltzman at aol.com lbsaltzman at aol.com
Mon Mar 31 15:47:27 EDT 2008

this issue of progressives and environmentalists jumping on the biofuels bandwagon is a real problem. I got into an interesting debate with a local environmental group in Santa Barbara who were proudly announcing their support for a new gas station selling gasoline with corn based ethanol fuel mixed in. Biofuels are a big part of their "solution" to the environmental crisis, global warming etc.? They are in the "techno-fix" camp. A few years ago they sold off an wonderful acre site with an incredible organic urban micro-farm so they could concentrate on fighting global warming. They simply couldn't connect the dots.? So I am not surprised that progessives would be susceptable to believing that raising negative issues meant you were on the side of evil.

Larry saltzman

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Pittman <scott at permaculture.org>
To: 'permaculture' <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:59 am
Subject: Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?

Just this final word and I am done.

On January 24, 2008 David Fridley presented his "The Myth of Biofuels" in
Santa Cruz, California.  Before this date a letter was sent out to a mailing
list of progressives in the city asking them to boycott the presentation and
calling Mr. Fridley, in so many words, "a lying shill for the oil industry".

In this letter David Blume challenged David Fridley to a debate "anytime,
any place".  

Fortunately most people saw through this self serving attempt to shut up a
voice that raises serious questions about the whole biofuel hype.  David
Fridley has put his presentation on an open source video, I highly recommend
that everyone view his very articulate and well documented arguments.

Scott Pittman
Permaculture Institute
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David Fridley makes sense to me.? I hope we can retire the biofuels debate
for now. Biofuels ain't happening on a large enough scale to replace

If anyone is interested in hearing a reasoned argument against biofuels 
by an energy scientist, check out "The Myths of Biofuels" by David 
Fridley (who must be, of course, another lying shill for the oil 
industry!). A trailer is at 


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