[permaculture] what about lubrication?

Harmon Seaver hseaver at gmail.com
Fri Mar 28 14:46:10 EDT 2008

   It will also be extremely difficult to accomplish -- the current
scenario was all built in a time of cheap energy. Building new
infrastructure -- railroads, trolley systems, whatever -- in a time of
very expensive energy just probably won't happen. And right now there
certainly isn't the political will to even start building them. Most
people in government are far too clueless, as are the people who elect
them, to do anything meaningful until it will be far, far, too late.
   Try going to your local government body -- city, county -- and tell
them to curtail their current plans for roads and instead invest it all
in lite-rail. Lotsa' luck! They'll laugh you right out of the room.

lbsaltzman at aol.com wrote:
> I?have been following this conversation with interest. I am not an expert on biofuels, but the missing question with all of this, is what quantity of biofuels and biolubricants can be sustainably harvested without damaging ecosystems, and impacting the production of food for the world's population. I suspect not enough to permit the burning of biofuels at the rate we currently burn fossil fuels. That implies that we are going to have a lot less energy to run vehicles, and a lot less vehicles.? So that also suggests that we should be putting a lot of thinking into alternative ways of doing things that don't involve the mass use of vehicles for transportation and as labor saving devices. It will be the hugest reallocation of resources since the industrial revolution. It will be in fact the reversal of how the industrial revolution has allocated resources.

Harmon Seaver

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