[permaculture] permaculture Digest, Vol 62, Issue 5

Martin Mikush martinmikush at gmail.com
Wed Mar 5 19:18:28 EST 2008


Thank you Steve and Trevor,

How critical is the wiggler migration possibility ? There is not so much too
eat in the little garden around .?
... So maintaining constant temperature is also important ... well , it may
be funny , but I set on the bottom of the crate four big stone pavers - say
for thermal mass ...

and .. I hav eto figure better lid design , because is not well insulated
yet ...
still in progresss.


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>   1. Green Homes???? (Harmon Seaver)
>   2. Re: carbon sequestration (trevor william johnson)
>   3. Re: Penalizing Farmers (Trudie Redding)
>   4. Re: Penalizing Farmers (Harmon Seaver)
>   5. You Tube, Keyline Design, Sustainable Agriculture &Carbon
>      Sequestering , Lecture With Darren Doherty Santa Barbara Nov/07
>      (Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network)
>   6. Compost crate from cargo pallettes (Martin Mikush)
>   7. Re: Compost crate from cargo pallettes (trevor william johnson)
>   8. Re: Compost crate from cargo pallettes (Trudie Redding)
>   9. Compost crate from cargo pallettes (steveread at free.fr)
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> From: Harmon Seaver <hseaver at gmail.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] Green Homes????
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/us/04homes.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:41:20 -0500
> From: trevor william johnson <john2116 at msu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] carbon sequestration
> To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> This past weekend i attended the organic conference in east lansing
> michingan.  the keynote speaker was Tim LaSale who is the CEO of the
> rodale institute.  he presented on research that quantifies the
> amount of carbon sequestered in the soil by using sustainable/organic
> techniques along with a tool called the roler/crimper to create a
> mulch on the top of the soil from the winters cover (i saw vetch and
> rye used).  the crops are then planted through the mulch with a no
> till seeder/transplanter.  the numbers were as high as 1500 pounds
> per acre.  he suggested tat the government should create a program
> that pays farmers to use these techniques and sequester carbon rather
> than sell whatever they are growing for less than the cost of
> production through subsidies.    he was really inspiring and i am now
> going to create my own version of the roller crimper to use in a 2.5
> acre community garden i participate in.
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> Regarding Pimental,  LaSale quoted him a few times but not for data,
> just for conversations about the roller crimper.  i have found
> pimental to be a double edges sword in sustainable ag.  i have seen
> his ethanol research and read what he has to say in regards to coal
> and it is clearly crap.  However just like an allelopathic plant like
> the black walnut...nothing is all bad or all good and pimentel
> clearly has two distinct faces on sustainability.  does anyone on the
> list know pimental and is willing to comment on his character?
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> trevor
> On Mar 4, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote:
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> > Darren Doherty wrote:
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> >> People might like to know that one of my Marin County (CA) clients
> >> has
> >> sponsored Dr David Pimental of Cornell University (through CFA) to
> >> conduct a
> >> wide ranging monitoring study on a range of different methods
> >> applied by CFA
> >> farmers (across the US) that they use to increase Soil Organic
> >> Carbon (such
> >> as Managment Intensive Grazing or MIG, Keyline Plowing, Soil
> >> Amendments,
> >> Compost/Compost Teas, and just about everything else that we
> >> think, but have
> >> not necessarily quantifiably, increases SOC.
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> >
> >    Your clients need to be informed that David Pimental was exposed by
> > the investigative journalist Jack Anderson as being a fraud who was
> > actually drawing a regular salary from Mobile Oil when he did his
> > phoney
> > studies on ethanol production. Pimental even admitted it during a
> > radio
> > interview. David Blume, in his great book, "Alcohol Can Be A Gas",
> > which
> > is about the permaculture way to energy independence, spends some time
> > exposing the fraud in Pimental's "study". It's also quite telling that
> > Pimental publishes a lot of his work in a "peer-reviewed" journal that
> > is the mouthpiece of the mining and coal industry, and, indeed,
> > Pimental
> > says himself that coal is the real answer to all our energy needs.
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> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:43:00 -0600
> From: "Trudie Redding" <tredding at mail.utexas.edu>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Penalizing Farmers
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I'm reading Ogallala revised in 2000-about the underground aquiver and
> the history of use of water in the region, has a lot of info about
> farming-several states, western KS, TX, Colorado etc. includes info
> about Mobil oil's use of much of the irreplaceable water-it comes from
> the Arctic-level has gone down permanently
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> Sort of a paradym shift view of what subsidy means, I mean I had a
> change of view with this book and the movie "Corn" and am rethinking
> subsidy.
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> Trudie
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> IF you've stood in line at a farmers' market recently, you know that the
> local food movement is thriving, to the point that small farmers are
> having a tough time keeping up with the demand.
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> But consumers who would like to be able to buy local fruits and
> vegetables not just at farmers' markets, but also in the produce aisle
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> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:53:57 -0600
> From: Harmon Seaver <hseaver at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Penalizing Farmers
> To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Trudie Redding wrote:
> > I'm reading Ogallala revised in 2000-about the underground aquiver and
> > the history of use of water in the region, has a lot of info about
> > farming-several states, western KS, TX, Colorado etc. includes info
> > about Mobil oil's use of much of the irreplaceable water-it comes from
> > the Arctic-level has gone down permanently
> >
> > Sort of a paradym shift view of what subsidy means, I mean I had a
> > change of view with this book and the movie "Corn" and am rethinking
> > subsidy.
> >
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>   Yeah, all farm subsidies need to end soonest. Have you ever looked at
> the site that tells you just what each and every "farmer" gets as a
> handout? It's obscene. http://farm.ewg.org/farm/
>   And since the WTO has already mandated that the US end farm
> subsidies, it's probably only a matter of time, or the US won't be able
> to export crops anyway. Or supposedly so -- rather amazing that the
> Bushies, et al, push global trade and the WTO so much, then stonewall
> compliance when it goes against them.
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> --
> Harmon Seaver
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:41:47 -0800
> From: Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network
>        <lakinroe at silcom.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] You Tube, Keyline Design, Sustainable
>        Agriculture &Carbon  Sequestering , Lecture With Darren Doherty
> Santa
>        Barbara Nov/07
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> You tube of Lecture
> http://www.youtube.com/user/zymurgydashjive
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> Keyline Design, Sustainable Agriculture &Carbon Sequestering
> Lecture With Darren Doherty in Santa Barbara Nov 07
> Produced by Commongood Media and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network
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> What is biological wealth?  Healthy forests,
> fertile soils, abundant waterways and seas---has
> any great nation been built without these?  As we
> degrade and treat them as throw-aways can we
> expect a prosperous future for our families and
> children?  Is a sustainable system for
> agriculture possible that enhances rather than
> depletes our natural environment?
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>         Join Santa Barbara Permaculture Network
> as we explore the concept of Keyline Design, a
> unique design system that restores, regenerates
> landscapes, and sequesters carbon with Darren
> Doherty ( www.permaculture.biz) from Australia.
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>         Darren Doherty is an  engaging and
> accomplished exponent of Permaculture and Keyline
> Design, Darren Doherty, principal of Australia
> Felix Permaculture .He presents an overview of
> the design considerations and implements of his
> practice. He explains how the intelligent design
> and management of agricultural landscape, through
> its ability to rapidly regenerate the topsoil
> that most effectively sequesters atmospheric
> carbon, is a prime strategy in repairing humanity's relation to the
> biosphere
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>         Keyline Design is a complete design
> system for landscapes.  It is applicable to both
> rural and urban areas. It is a unique combination
> of water conservation and soil building, with
> great appeal to both farmers and ranchers, as it
> has the ability to build and regenerate degraded
> soils rapidly, and sees the use of grazing
> animals as beneficial to this process.
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>         Keyline systems were developed in
> Australia during the 1950?s by P.A Yeomans (
> www.yeomansplow.com.au ) as a response to
> increasing desertification and erosion he
> observed on the Australian landscape as it
> related to agriculture.  His book Water For Every
> Farm, A Keyline Plan is an important work
> describing a set of principles and techniques
> based on a holistic approach that works with
> natural patterns to restore and increase the
> depth and fertility of the soil, while increasing
> its water holding capabilities.  Yeomans realized
> that conventional agriculture totally ignored the
> biological aspects of the soil.  He created a
> ?sustainable agriculture? system before the term
> was coined, and for the first time in human
> history, methods were developed that could
> produce rich fertile soils in relatively short
> periods.  A permanent and lasting agriculture
> Yeomans believed, must materially and financially
> benefit the farmer, and benefit the land and soil.
>
>         Keyline Design integrates terraces,
> ponds, tree plantings on contour, and a special
> cultivation technique using the Keyline plow, to
> infiltrate water into the soil efficiently and
> hold it on the land as long as possible. Water
> harvesting strategies employed by Keyline Design
> provide drought-proofing for farms with very low
> maintenance using gravity fed irrigation systems,
> with a huge reduction in water lost to
> evaporation. In contrast, up to 80% of water is
> lost to evaporation using conventional overhead
> sprinklers.  Farms using Keyline Design have
> amazing records of deepening the topsoil by 3-6?
> in 3 years, in contrast to nature?s process,
> which can take hundreds or thousands of years.
>
>         The term Keyline comes from the
> reference to a ?keypoint? on the watershed, which
> is the interface between collection and
> distribution of water on the landscape, where
> ridge meets the valley.  Keyline is a philosophy
> and technique that doesn?t pit the needs of
> farmers against environmentalists trying to
> protect wildlife and fish habitat, and with
> carbon sequestering techniques used, helps to
> address aspects of global warming and climate change.
>
>         Darren Doherty is an Australian Keyline
> Designer, Developer & Manager and Australian
> Approved Keyline Design? Farm Planning
> Consultant, and recipient of Whole Farm Planning
> Certificate ~ Train the Trainer(University of
> Melbourne 1995).  He has designed and developed
> over 1100 properties across four continents
> working most recently in Vietnam, on land
> projects for Mars Inc, owners of Seeds of Change.
> His remaining time is spent managing a working
> research & demonstration farm in Southern Victoria, Australia.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:58:08 +0200
> From: "Martin Mikush" <martinmikush at gmail.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] Compost crate from cargo pallettes
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> just finished the three hour project
>  compost crate from 6 pallettes, 6 bags and some nails :
> http://pics.livejournal.com/allilinin/pic/0002c3de/g26
> http://pics.livejournal.com/allilinin/pic/0002dyb3/g80
> Pallettes are cut to little bid more than half and staggered for rigidity
> ,
> nailed. front is detacheable and cover too.
> Will see if the red wigglers would like their new home .
>
> Any suggestions for similar designs ?
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> Martin Mikush
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:58:37 -0500
> From: trevor william johnson <john2116 at msu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Compost crate from cargo pallettes
> To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> red wigglers should not be released into the wild.  if you are going
> to use this compost w/o separating the worms first dont use the worms
> for composting.
>
> trevor
>
> On Mar 5, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Martin Mikush wrote:
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> > just finished the three hour project
> >  compost crate from 6 pallettes, 6 bags and some nails :
> > http://pics.livejournal.com/allilinin/pic/0002c3de/g26
> > http://pics.livejournal.com/allilinin/pic/0002dyb3/g80
> > Pallettes are cut to little bid more than half and staggered for
> > rigidity ,
> > nailed. front is detacheable and cover too.
> > Will see if the red wigglers would like their new home .
> >
> > Any suggestions for similar designs ?
> >
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> > Martin Mikush
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:16:08 -0600
> From: "Trudie Redding" <tredding at mail.utexas.edu>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Compost crate from cargo pallettes
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> I like the pictures of Bulgaria that are at this link, thanks!
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> Trudie
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> Mikush
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:58 AM
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> Subject: [permaculture] Compost crate from cargo pallettes
>
> just finished the three hour project
>  compost crate from 6 pallettes, 6 bags and some nails :
> http://pics.livejournal.com/allilinin/pic/0002c3de/g26
> http://pics.livejournal.com/allilinin/pic/0002dyb3/g80
> Pallettes are cut to little bid more than half and staggered for
> rigidity ,
> nailed. front is detacheable and cover too.
> Will see if the red wigglers would like their new home .
>
> Any suggestions for similar designs ?
>
>
> Martin Mikush
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> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:20:31 +0100
> From: steveread at free.fr
> Subject: [permaculture] Compost crate from cargo pallettes
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> Build 2 at same time joined together so you can turn from 1 into the
> other,
> speed composting/aerating, got a lid? Whole palettes for back and sides
> can be
> stuffed with straw etc to insulate, you may not need the bottom, small
> branches
> should allow enough air and easier to empty.
>
> Even better of course is a mini bio-gas digester, then you get gas and
> compost
> http://www.arti-india.org/content/view/46/43/
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> SteveR
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