[permaculture] SSE again

lbsaltzman at aol.com lbsaltzman at aol.com
Mon Jan 21 14:37:00 EST 2008

The middle ground here is that we should all do what we can to conserve and even breed seeds locally, but as Marshall suggests we don't want to loose the thousands of years of seed?breeding by farmers all over the world. Organizations like SSE are irreplacable in the near future.? If somebody has the time and resources to duplicate elsewhere what they have acheived that would be a good thing, but an extremely hard thing.? So work to get the bad guys kicked out and restore the good guys.

And if you ever start a non-profit learn from this. Never, never let outsiders in you don't know and give them the chance to steal and subvert the organization.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marshall Chrostowski <mcfarm at silcom.com>
To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:14 am
Subject: [permaculture] SSE again

 Jay, yes this is a flawed world and a world filled with well-meaning people 
rushing about doing good works. Most anyone can learn to save seed and acquire 
the means of growing, selecting, protecting, harvesting, processing and storing 
seed -- year after year after year after year. How many of us have the time, 
opportunity and perserverence to conserve unique, mostly annual plant materials 
over many years? The reality is closer to the situation where relatively few 
people grow a relatively small roster of seed types more or less readily 

I now get that you really don't understand the SSE's role and functioning in 
conservation of heirloom and traditional varieties. The single organization 
works closely with similar organization in country and abroad as well as 
national governments. Yes, there is a large number of seed stored at Heritage 
Farm but samples of many of these have been donated from other holders of same 
seeds and many others have been distributed to listed members who grow them out 
and conserve them. Other varieties have been introduced into the commercial seed 
trade. This is a dynamic  and living conservation effort. Yes, it would be 
cheaper to deep freeze germplasm to available for future plant breeding. Is this 
to be the end result of 10,000 years of crop selection by farmers and 
horticulturists from many parts of the world?


Message: 9
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:20:20 -0600
From: Jay Woods <woodsjay at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Seed Savers Exchange
To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <200801210520.20694.woodsjay at cox.net>
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So what do we do to become trained and equipped. In this flawed world, to 
depend on a single organization at a single spot is folly.

On Monday 21 January 2008 12:19:51 am Marshall Chrostowski wrote:

>> 3. SSE practices living conservation of genetic resources with a
>> rigorous program of rotating growouts. The USDA and other governmental
>> agencies have been expanding germplasm banks held at very low
>> temperatures. It was been SSE's experience that such germplasm storage
>> systems do not protect living matter for advertised durations.

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