[permaculture] Goat death (AKA So what do you really think about long term climate change due to pollution-related global warming)

Paul Cereghino paul.cereghino at comcast.net
Mon Mar 26 11:01:35 EDT 2007

If you don't want to kill your domesticated animals, one approach would 
be to allow other animals to harvest your goats.  If a goat herd is 
being protected by a human in a limited space, that herd will grow and 
grow until it denudes the landscape and then starves.  It seems like all 
animals perpetuate through some kind of self regulation process (in the 
case of domesticated goats this becomes 'harvest', 'culling', 
'male-preferential infanticide', 'killing', 'celebration of kali', 
'leave billy to the coyote' or whatever we want to call it.)  On the 
other side of the coin there is disease, murder, and starvation.

It seems like there are two pathways for animals contributing to 
greenhouse gasses.  One is through methane production when we stockpile 
wet manure, methanogenesis requires anaerobic conditions (big stinky wet 
heap or cess pond).  The other is the energy use in transportation and 
cooling of feed, animals, and meat product.  Both pathways are solved by 
Vido's recommendations.  So if you are looking for a causation 
argument... while vegetarians may be motivated to present their decision 
in a dramatic context, vegetarianism is one step removed from the 
problem/solution.  Industrial agriculture and excessive fat consumption 
with an inactive lifestyle is self-destructive, while vegetarianism is a 
moral issue.  I am not yet convinced that the moral gains of keeping 
blood off our hands outweighs the burden of giving up omnivory, but am 
open to argument.

Paul Cereghino
Olympia, WA

KNat wrote:

>yarrow at sfo.com wrote:
>>The number-one thing everyone can do is to eat lower on the food 
>>chain. We could reduce greenhouse gases by about half within a year 
>>or two by stopping the breeding and eating of livestock.
>Anyone have good resources on write ups of the impact of animals in 
>biodynamic setting. My daughter is looking for articles on animals in 
>homestead settings to round out a similar discussion on vegetarianism 
>for global CO2 reduction..
>(some background, our life choices have led us to raise our own animals 
>(small so far) and the articles seem to get caught up in factory farms. 
>Her view is animals are respectfully raised as members here and have 
>many roles including continued contribution after death.)
>She (and I) are discussing raising enough protein for ourselves instead 
>of pasture vs using rocky hillside for goats and goats for fertilizer, 
>milk, meat, laborers (packs and carts), leather, bone tools and soil 
>additives. As you can imagine from that list, the sacrifice to become 
>meat is more likely a sheep than a goat since goats do part of the labor 
>and the sheep are passive contributors who require more protection, but 
>males are hard to live with. It's pretty easy to balance w goats, sheep, 
>chickens if males don't stay long.We have steep slopes and lots of 
>brambly brush. Anyone have plan ideas for rocky, brushy, hillside 
>lifestyle that doesn't have humans harvesting other animals? Does that 
>even make sense?
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