[permaculture] Jim Kunstler writing
permie at earthlink.net
Fri Jun 29 14:17:23 EDT 2007
It seems like length and frequency of posts - basic respect for
others - is the main point, here.
Permaculture, being the umbrella that it is, covers so much.
Information IS easy to find, these days, once one has a computer
So, yes, I could tackle a garden question on my own. It would not
have the richness of a shared experience, though.
On the other hand, some of these lengthy dialogs are full of goodies.
? Self censorship seems like the answer.
Are we disciplined in our practice? Can we share in a meaningful way?
The dinky post I put out for yam growing help yielded a new teaching
We can't always predict what good will come of seemingly
I appreciate that Lawrence does this work and i support keeping the
list open and free.
I have gained so much from staying tuned in.
That's it from me for awhile,
On Jun 28, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Eugene Monaco wrote:
> You know, I appreciate being able to read posts like the two
> articles below.
> But they are woefully political. I also appreciate Lawrence's
> attempts to
> keep the list open and comprehensive, it's a tough job and somebody
> has to
> do it. But the calls for censorship are overblown, I think.
> There are a number of subjects that could have their own list.
> for example. Mollison said he wouldn't even teach us gardening it
> was so
> basic, and yet it comes up again and again. Another topic that
> could use
> another list is questions from newbies that haven't had a design
> Beekeeping could be another. There are other beekeeping listserves,
> including an organic beekeeping listserve where you can get all you
> Peak Oil for sure could be another list, and already is. Talk
> about it all
> day. Also Global Warming. And news stories like the two below.
> And so on.
> I heard a story from an architect who ran for mayor, who says that
> she did
> more for architecture in 3 years as mayor than in 20 years in
> Being in political office is a key point of leverage. Maybe one of
> largest out there. The fact that it has been co-opted by forces of
> building (read: ethics disorder) is in part because enough of us do
> about it.
> Permaculture without access to land is difficult. Land reform and
> programs and movements and news and stories of such are an extremely
> important part of the equation and need to be shared. Here in
> Knoxville, we
> are getting things, through political efforts, such as permeable
> net-zero housing for low income people, community gardens, better
> management, recycling at city festivals, and even a commitment from
> TVA for
> greener power.
> As has already been pointed out, the Designer's Manual included a
> chapter on 'invisible structures'. There's your link to politics.
> I think
> Mollison stopped there because he had said enough already and
> wanted to
> focus on helping folks understand how the earth works. He said
> that we
> already know how to live sustainably, we just don't do it. Why we
> don't do
> it is politics.
> A number of struggles, civil rights for example, started in the
> face of
> impossibility and with political organizing, made tremendous
> progress over
> time. Cleaning up Love Canal was a political process of
> organizing. Farm
> worker's rights and the accompanying boycotts were all political. The
> multi-billion dollar, largest-in-world-history lawsuit against
> to clean up areas in Honduras is political, as was the process that
> let it
> happen in the first place. And the rise of the neo-cons is
> political too.
> So while we're out in the garden, the organized group in the other
> may set things up in a way that doesn't respect permaculture
> ethics. We may
> need to show up at City Hall with our pitchforks once in a while.
> Or be
> gutsy enough to run for office and work that incredibly powerful key
> leverage point (a permaculture principle).
> That there are so many topics is evidence of our growing pains.
> draws a diagram with permaculture at the center and all other
> connecting like spokes of the wheel. He also draws the diagram of the
> elements in the design and all the connections. That the Greens are
> connected to the beekeepers who are connected to the architects who
> connected to the labor party is a sign of strength.
> It is difficult to know where to cut off dialogue and ask folks to go
> somewhere else for greater detail. If we all respect each other's
> time it
> can be self regulating, and that is a good sign of sustainability.
> Gene Monaco
> Knoxville, TN
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> Subject: [permaculture] 'Jim Kunstler writing about export cuts by
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> ...Those of you considering the purchase of more WalMart stock, take
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