[permaculture] Bermuda grass, options, etc.

Don Titmus ujgs2 at 4dirs.com
Fri Jun 22 13:13:05 EDT 2007

Hello Larry and all,

Totally understand your sentiments

and i agree that why i said in my previous post
 "I will not recommend this strategy but It needs to be considered."

Stupid is ignorance, stupid is believing every news outlet, YOU are not 
Stupid. but you/we do stupid things.....THINGS...larry.

what works for you in your area may not work here or another place.

I have research glyphospate it is LESS damaging than Chlorine, and yet WE 
water with city supply tap water !!!

thank you Larry for your comments and the opportunity to discuss them here


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl at intrex.net>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Bermuda grass, options, etc.

> Don Titmus wrote:
>> Bill talks about the appropriate use of technology. some chemicals are 
>> toxic
>> and residul others not...depends on the "Half" life. Folks use pyrethems 
>> and
>> Kill aphids, natural yes toxic to some animals YES. So the delemer is 
>> what
>> has least impact for the most effectiveness.
>> so now to the "G" word...gylphosphate salts, You cannot get emotionally
>> locked up to not use a good tool because it has been abused by idiots.  I
> People get plenty emotional about use of herbicide; look at the companies 
> that manufacture them
> and their environmental record.
> Anyone who would use synthetic chemical weed killer casually without 
> looking for natural alternatives is an abuser and
> an idiot.
> The only possible exception justifying use of this material is to 
> eradicate poison ivy
> in residential yards when no other method is practical or possible and 
> when there is a real safety issue.
>> say "Lets ban the chain saw" we have global deforestation therefore its 
>> the
>> chainsaw that need banning!!!  Stupid  !!!
> Who are you calling stupid?
>> Use the right tool the correct way and have "Least effect for the 
>> greatest
>> yeild".
>> So use Glyphosphate and follow with Compost Tea and Accumilators, hot
>> compost the material and your field is clear in one season, all chems are
>> gone and can be followed by a crop
> Before you suggest that people go out and get some glysophate (which they 
> are not likely to be able to do, so then they
> go get the other abominations instead and use them) and use it to kill 
> plants, instead of squarely facing the prospect
> of having to do "labor intensive" activity, why don't you do a little 
> research on glysophate and its effect on living
> things and the environment.
> I can't believe anyone would suggest using synthetic weed killer in this 
> forum, when for years people have offered
> perfectly useful natural alternative methods of weed control and 
> eradication.
> -- 
> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> Venaura Farm
> lfl at intrex.net
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