[permaculture] Bermuda grass, options, etc.

Don Titmus ujgs2 at 4dirs.com
Fri Jun 22 13:03:48 EDT 2007

Thank you for your list, I got it was for the Organic market only. And so i 
wanted to add to that list an "On the Edge" method that works here. Beside 
back breaking digging and Sifting of all root aspects of Burmuda there is 
still the remaining seeds and so it goes on and on. ADD to that its 100 plus 
degrees here and 90 degrees when you wake up. So not appriopate for all 
areas or all situations. just an option.

Second i get upset when We say We're organic. not. The air is polluted, most 
water sources are polluted, soil issues, amendment issues, machinery, GMO 
drift, Chem drift, and on it goes.

So we do the best we can with the best tools available and have "Hammock 
Time" <smile>

I wiil go to your Docs later, got class tomorrow and have to prep.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Diver" <steved at ipa.net>
To: <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: [permaculture] Bermuda grass, options, etc.

> Hello Don -
> In the 1970s it was jokingly said by horticulturists (who
> manage landscapes, nurseries, orchards, and farms) that
> glyphosate was invented to control bermudagrass, because
> its systemic mechanism was so fantastically effective in
> controlling this pernicious, perennial grassy weed.
> My list was geared to non-chemical vegetation control methods.
> Loosening the soil is a normal procedure in farming and
> gardening, so it is appropriate for solarization.
> No-till is appropriate for some applications, but it has
> many limitations.
> Plastic sheeting is a pasteurization process, not a
> sterilization process.
> Cover crops work great. The sequence of tillage and cover
> cropping desribed by ATTRA -- based on old and new agricultural
> literature and practitioner experience -- has been sucessfully
> employed on dozens of modern-day market farms.  Farmers have
> done this method for decades.  But it takes time and patience
> to work with the land and mimic Nature.
> Weed barrier is a superb method geared to no-till or tillage,
> depending on the situation.  I have helped hundreds of farmers
> and gardeners get into durable weed barrier systems. Frankly,
> it has revolutionized non-chemical weed control.  It is critical
> to use a good quality, durable weed barrier and not a cheap
> imitation.
> I suppose the chicken tractor method might take a whole growing
> season.
> You're right that glyphosate works great and has many applications.
> But the challenging task is finding alternatives to chemical herbicides
> that work.
> I have thoroughly documented the methods I describe through in-depth
> literature research and observation of practicing farms and gardens.
> My workshop on organic vegetable production at Southern SAWG in
> January 2007 contains some images of the farms and gardens that
> I've visited or managed.  Crooked Holler Farm is my acreage in
> Arkansas.  The weed barrier system is 30' x 100'; it is a superb
> way to grow organic curcurbits.  I've seen farms that raise
> curcurbits by this method that use geotextile patches 30' x 300'
> in dimention, with four or five patches. That's a lot of melons
> and pumpkins.
> Organic Vegetable Production
> http://www.ssawg.org/documents/SSAWG-Org-Veg-Prod-SDiver-PDF.pdf
> Regards,
> Steve Diver
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