[permaculture] Shit

Kenneth Benway ken at arcadiandesign.org
Mon Jun 18 04:49:34 EDT 2007

Bravo Tommy, finally we are starting to stir some "shit" up. This is
what I'm talking about! We can't begin to chart a new course unless we
are willing to take and honest look at what is. We may not want to look,
it may be too confronting but we MUST look at what is, or we don't have
a chance in hell of turning the shit around.

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Subject: [permaculture] Shit

Robyn Francis wrote:
> IMO Looking at renewables to replace such a massive consumption of
energy is
> a doomed techno-fix approach.
> The permaculture approach would be to look first at where energy
savings can
> be most effectively achieved. E.g. In the state of Qld 40% pf domestic
> electricity is used for water heating, the state government has now
> solar water heaters mandatory for all new homes and offers subsidies
> homeowners to switch from electricity to solar.
> Smart business initiatives are slashing power consumption on that
front e.g.
> 20% power savings simply from switching off all computers & equipment
> stand-by and non-essential lighting at night when the office is
> Once you start eliminating these excessive and wasteful demands on
> production (and they really start to add up to substantial amounts
> there's a good number of strategies), then exploring the logistics of
> renewable sources for essential needs become a far more feasible
> Robyn
> "Change your life - not the climate"
In the US, 30% of total power consumption goes to facilitate citizens 
continuing to shit in their drinking water.
We clear-cut forests in order to make paper with which to wipe our
Doesn't this indicate a serious problem with shitting somewhat
I consider this to be the sort of energy problem that has potential to 
encourage a just, sacred, and sustainable society.
Virtually no one is willing to be responsible for their own shit, 
literally (and figuratively, too). 
What would Permaculture do?
In California, composting toilets are against state law as the only 
means of handling shit. A house must have a water toilet.
Where I lived, in southern Santa Rosa, California, the ground water on 
the Santa Rosa Plain was all sewer water from local septic systems.
To whom is this acceptable?
Built wetlands have, as a by-product, septage that has to be transported

off-site ever so often.
/The Humanure Handbook/ does not show up in searches on BN.com or 
alibris.com.  Joseph Jenkins has shit figured out but no one likes his 
solution, apparently.
How shall we shit so we can live with the results?

Tommy Tolson
Austin, TX
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