[permaculture] Democratic solutions to Permacultures conflicts?

kevin s k.skvorak at verizon.net
Mon Jul 30 07:51:58 EDT 2007

>From: toby at patternliteracy.com
>I do think it's time for a national Pc organization in the US, ....
>Questions need to be answered before the process can begin:
>1. What is the function of the organization? To police teachers and 
>enforce how the curriculum is taught, to get accreditation or other 
>clout behind the certificate, to offer a clearing house for course 
>resources, to raise money for Pc projects, or something else?

these sound like great goals to start.  it seems to me further goals 
will emerge and be expressed by the membership as time goes on.

>2. How will people find the time and money to begin the organizing 
>process? We're all busy, so how do we make time to meet? And setting 
>up a non-profit takes lawyers, a website, and other things that cost 
>money. Do the original organizers just dig into their pockets and 
>pay, and take time away from other projects that may be more 
>promising than one more try at organizing? (I shelled out a couple 
>hundred bucks of my own money for WPTA and it's simply gone.)

well, maybe a way to start is to collect a voluntary membership fee 
from everyone with a PDC that wants to be part of it.  putting this 
anouncement out might generate enough money/interest to get started

>3. Who gets to organize it? Even the creation of an interim board 
>causes a certain amount of resentment among those not on the board. 
>And how do you draw committed and talented people to the organizing 
>committee who will stick with it? All it took to kill WPTA was for a 
>couple of the organizers to get too busy to reply to a couple of 
>critical emails, and the project stalled. You need those one or two 
>people who will spearhead and drive something to its end no matter 
>what. That really means giving up all your other projects. You must 
>find someone willing to make that level of commitment.

yeah, this one seems to come down to whomever is willing to do it. 
you would hope an interim board could probably work out without too 
much hostility, if they manifest their work in a transparent way that 
is clearly serving the community at large

>4. How are decisions made? As Jedd said, majority rule can mean 49% 
>or more may disagree with a decision, and consensus done as a 
>national (non-face-to-face) organization would be pretty time 

well, i like those organizations that tend towards consensus 
building, using super-majoritiwes for any big decisions etc.  it may 
mean that these organizations are less 'efficient' as it takes longer 
for decisions to get made, but in the long run hopefully are more 
sustainable in terms of community building

>  Another challenge may be a lack of understanding how (and why) to 
>structure a grass-roots, fairly anarchic movement into a national 
>organization. But I would support, and even aid, an effort to do so.

is there a way to take a 'straw poll' on this?  how does one 
determine a level of national interest? is this listserve even 
representative of all PDC grads? (my feelings have always been that 
it is not)


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