[permaculture] "certified permaculture designers"

Paul Cereghino paul.cereghino at comcast.net
Thu Jul 26 01:25:58 EDT 2007

The ecological restoration industry has the same problems, with 
considerably more money changing hands (which typically motivates the 
formation of guilds to protect trademarks).  So take your pick... 
movement or industry. 

In my opinion, saying I am a 'permaculture designer' won't land me any 
jobs, however I have been paid well for doing landscape designs and 
ecological revegetation, many of which incorporate as much permaculture 
as the client can stomach, or at least as much of a self designing 
polyculture as I can muster.

The critical step in a movement however is making everyone into 
designers -- the path back to stewardship of land -- not trying to 
design and sell a brand name business model.

Paul Cereghino

Robert Waldrop wrote:

>The protocol for the Barking Frogs online 
>Permaculture Design Course, which is included in 
>the preregistration packet linked on this page 
>http://www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org/onlinepdc.htm , 
>and is taught by Dan Hemenway (very distant 
>relation of Toby I think), says that if you take 
>the course for "certification", at the end you are 
>certified as an "entry-level permaculturist". 
>After 2 years of study and work, I am about to 
>submit the permaculture design report for my urban 
>property here in Oklahoma City (which is my design 
>practicum), and if as a result I am certified, I 
>am really clear in my own mind that I am an 
>"apprentice" with much more to learn.
>Bob Waldrop, tadpole in training
>Oklahoma City
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Toby Hemenway" <toby at patternliteracy.com>
>>A note about the use of terms. Taking a 72-hour 
>>design course does not
>>make you a "certified permaculture designer." 
>>The original certificates
>>from Mollison say, in some cases, that the 
>>holder "has successfully
>>completed a permaculture design course" and 
>>other certificates from him
>>say "is a permaculture design trainee." Somehow 
>>in later iterations by
>>other teachers, usually a few generations 
>>removed from Bill, people got
>>the idea that a PDC made you a professional, 
>>certified designer.
>>Seventy-two hours is the equivalent of two 
>>college classes but with no
>>homework, which is not enough to make anyone a 
>>designer. Bill has been
>>very firm about this, and most of the old-school 
>>teachers feel the same
>>way. I believe it's generally thought that 
>>getting a diploma from the
>>Permaculture Institute after two years of study 
>>under a mentor is what
>>is required to call yourself a certified 
>>designer (right, Scott or Robyn
>>or any of you long-time Pc teachers?). It's 
>>unfortunate that this
>>"resume bloat" has led to so many people 
>>thinking the PDC makes them a
>>certified designer, instead of a design trainee.
>>I'd be happy to hear anyone's thoughts, pro or 
>>con, about this.
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