[permaculture] Peak Oil -

Marjory forestgarden at gvtc.com
Mon Jul 16 19:32:55 EDT 2007

Hi Tommy,

Thank you for your honesty.  You don't have 30 years.  I don't believe os
anyway.  I doubt humanity will extract the last drop of oil - the intensity
of fighting over dwindling resources will prevent it.

this civilization is over.  That is both the bad and the good news.

Good luck on your qdventrues.  It is dammned hard to get one of those remote
farms up and functioning, much less a small community, and I sincerely doubt
eco cities will emerge.  I think one of the major failings of permaculture
is the false optimism it engenders.



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:permaculture-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Tommy Tolson
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 5:21 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Peak Oil -

Marjory wrote:
> Hi Tommy,
> I sincerely appreciate that you are getting it about the end of oil, the
> various plans of the neocons, and your calls to wake up.  Yes, its all
> happening - its real - and humanity is in for some serious changes.
> who starts to see this should be scared shitless, and it sounds like you
> there.  That is good.  That is what it takes to make the necessary
> What are you doing specifically?  I see you are from Austin by your email.
> That is a fairly large city.  Are you growing your own food there?  Have
> constructed a water catchment system?  Or perhaps, dug a pond for fish?
> What designs have you implemented?  Have you created a community where
> is a focus towards sustainability?
I am in the observation phase of designing Ecocity Austin.

I live in an apartment.

I'm a disabled vet living on disability compensation.

I buy all my food, either from the store or the farmers market - or the
coop, if I drive up there.

I drive a gasoline-powered car.

One of my teachers at New College was Richard Heinberg, author of /The
Party's Over/.

Basically, I'm fucked.  I'm into designing my way out of there without
weenying out and designing a groovy farm in Bumfuck, Egypt to avoid the
marauding hoards of starving urbanites after 2030.  I don't want to live
if human civilization fails.

Thanks for responding.

Tommy Tolson
Austin, TX
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