[permaculture] Design critiques

Linda Shewan linda.shewan at bryn.com.au
Mon Jul 2 22:14:48 EDT 2007

It's either support 'them' or 'someone else'

It's either leave the money out of the system or add more in by buying
another program... increasing consumption...

Utilising an object that has already been brought is not supporting the
company that made it. Freegans collect their food and consumables from
garbage. They find brand names articles and use them as the money has
already been spent so they are not actually supporting the company
itself. They consider it better than putting more money into the system.
I guess I agree with their view on this. We can agree to disagree I

In my File Save As options I have Scaleable Vector Graphics (SVG) or
compressed SVG (SVGZ) and Portable Network Graphics (PNG) as well. If
your preferred option is PNG then I will save as that. 


-----Original Message-----
From: jedd [mailto:jedd at progsoc.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, 3 July 2007 12:40 AM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Design critiques

 Hi Linda,

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, you wrote:
> So while I would not support Microsoft personally ... it so happens
> they are a part of my current existence.

 This doesn't make sense to me, because you *are* supporting
 them personally.

 Anyhoo ... onto matters of different import.

> I always expected to save my visio files in another format for
> posting - jpg probably. I guess I imagined collaboration would be text
> oriented/conversation etc rather than physical design changes to the
> posted design... can we do that. 

 Yes, we can.  But you end up with many instances of the same
 file, as soon as you go graphic image, with each one being
 a variation of the one that came before it.  Consider what happens
 when you send a fax through several iterations of the fax machine.
 Same with JPG's (they're lossy).  SVG's are ideal, but probably
 beyond the scope of this discussion.  PNG's are portable (otherwise
 they'd be called NNG's I guess) and are not lossy, so would be
 the preferred choice for many, myself included.

 Some people are happy scribbling over an image, others with
 describing their changes in text format only.  The ways this could
 work in a wiki/cms environment are fascinating .. but I've not
 seen them tested at all.  The threat of the layout being munged up
 in the same way that this list is by people who insist on sending
 back a copy of everything they received, whenever they make
 a minor comment on same .. could render it unworkable.  Oh well.

> I will investigate the gimp or dia - any more info on what they are or
> do I just google them?

 If you type gimp into google, it's the first item shown.  Dia is
 the third (or the sixth if you're looking for the Windows version,
 for that MS operating system that you're supporting).

 So yes .. use a search engine.  Marvellous things.

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