[permaculture] Design critiques

Linda Shewan linda.shewan at bryn.com.au
Mon Jul 2 00:08:48 EDT 2007

Hi Jedd,

I'm afraid that sometimes our personal hearts and minds are not always
in sync with our families and other parts of our lives. So while I would
not support Microsoft personally (I abhore the African green revolution
idea as well as many other things that they are doing and have done), it
so happens they are a part of my current existence. Given that, no I
don't see a problem with using it. But I would never use a chemical just
because it is there. I don't even use natural pesticides in my garden
because I believe any spray destroys the natural order of things. We all
draw different lines don't we... 

I always expected to save my visio files in another format for posting -
jpg probably. I guess I imagined collaboration would be text
oriented/conversation etc rather than physical design changes to the
posted design... can we do that. And if so - what software is the wiki
using to allow it??? Or would you download it to your PC, change it and
then upload your changed design back to the Wiki. As you can see I have
no idea how the wiki operates and until I really do I am not sure how I
am progressing...

I will investigate the gimp or dia - any more info on what they are or
do I just google them?

Thanks for your input, Linda

-----Original Message-----
From: jedd [mailto:jedd at progsoc.org] 
Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2007 11:39 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Design critiques

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007, Linda Shewan wrote:
> I will do that. Just updating my designs - might take a while, I'm
> Microsoft Visio and I'm not very good at it... Any ideas for free
> software to create designs. Visio is free through business so...

 Hi Linda,

 That's a curious sentiment .. that because it's free (you mean
 that in the $-sense only) that it's okay to use.  I wonder how we'd
 react to people saying that glyphosate is okay to use so long as
 you don't pay for it.

 The trouble with using Visio is that in order to then collaborate
 with any other potential users of your data, these other people are
 obliged to acquire, at cost or at odds with the law, their own copy
 of that software.

 You may want to investigate the gimp or dia - the latter is
 probably more aligned to what you are trying to do, but I've
 had some measure of success with the former for doing overlays
 of design / tracking activities within my garden.

 The subject of actual design apps - gis, cad, landscape, architect,
 etc - that are free in the important sense of that word, comes up
 periodically.  The last time I was involved in that kind of discussion
 I think the consensus was that nothing comparable to the stuff
 that's available on The Beast's platform existed.

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